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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
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Hi all !

I've been on the hunt for a female Clearwing or greywing to pair up with my "almost" rainbow.

I just found an add online that might just fit the bill, however I'm still not 100% sure is the female is a clearwing or graywing. (or even has some spangle in her)

To me, it looks like she has full body colour, and her cheek patches are a dark violet, instead of washed out like on a greywing.

And the male....I'm not sure of either, possibly greywing?





The girl selling them will send me more pictures later today, and of course i'll post them as soon as i can.

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I am not good in guessing mutations but they both are so cute..
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Smile Mutations Pubulications resources

Hi, I was checking out the ABS web site and in their products division are a wonderful set of books that are imported from the UK Budgie organization and sold to ABS members at 17 to 20+- dollars. It is worth it to me to become a member for the publications alone. I bought and studied everyone when I first started. I still review them. They are about the individual mutations. Also on either BAA or ABS The World budgie Org,updated 2012 rule of judging for show is available for under 20 dollars+-, This in conjunction with Lindseys mutations section on cutelittlebirdies will help answer many questions. Add the very expensive ,100 dollars each+ : The Challenge, By Gerald Binks, contact the author in the UK and The Budgerigar, by Robert Marshall from Australia(available from ladygouldianfinch in US and they do ship outside the US). Best wishes,
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Here in the US the clearwing /greywing experts are Capi/Spear in Florida and rainbows in Iowa Dan Schulties are 2 very good resources. find their contact info in the Officers and Breeders section Of BAA website. Best wishes Jo Ann
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The green one seems to be a full body greywing to me and you are right, from the little I see of the female, she does appear to have spangle markings on her wings and more pictures of her would surely help. Looking at her wings, she could be a clearflight pied
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Yes, now that I have more pics she is definitely a clearflight pied.



She is really pretty, but not exactly what I'm looking for. If she was, then I'd be making the 2 hour trip to get her! But unfortunately, hubby is now extreeemely strict about letting me get more birds. It has to be the exact mutation I'm looking for. (Or something rare if I stumble upon it.)

I'm waiting to hear back from another add that I found online as well. But, the person wasn't sure if it was a male or female. Pics to come soon.
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They're both the mutation you're looking for, just the female is clear flight pied too. How old are they? If they are young birds it might be worth your time to get them.
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Thanks Allie!

Technically, I only need the female since I already have Tango. But these two are bonded and have mated before and its best to keep them together. So I'm guessing they are about two years old. Will check with the owner.

I could use one of their offspring, but doing that will not let me breed to Tango for probably 2 years from now. Which is ok because he's only just over one year old now.

just thinking out loud...

but then again 2 years is a long time and I can definitely find the right female for him.
Ah what the heck, pinkies of any colour mutation are wonderful !

I'm going to talk to hubby.
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ok, so I have some more info now.

They are 2 1/2 years old. Have had two clutches. First clutch had 1 chick. 2 clutch (this past Jan) had 5 chicks. Only one female chick and she looked just like the mother. The others were greywing green, and Pied.

The parents are the birds at the top, three chicks in the rest of the cage.

What should I do? Drive 2 hours (one way) to get them or hold out for something closer?

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Ok well here's a thought.

Say you pair Tango with a clearwing (or greywing) hen, now you have any of the following babies:

(/ means split for)

% from all boy babies

25.0% blue normal /clearwing opaline
25.0% blue spangle(sf) /clearwing opaline
25.0% yellowface II/clearwing opaline
25.0% yelloface II spangle(sf) /clearwing opaline

% from all girl babies

25.0% blue opaline /clearwing
25.0% blue spangle(sf) opaline /clearwing
25.0% yellowface II opaline /clearwing
25.0% yellowface II spangle(sf) opaline /clearwing


You still don't have your rainbows because these babies are split for clearwing - spangle and normal dominates those clearwing genes.

So now you have to take one of the babies, preferably a cock since opaline is sex linked, or a hen paired to an opaline cock and pair it up with another possible candidate that must be either split for or visual greywing, clearwing or dilute.

It's better to have 2 pairs going at one so that you can then breed their offspring together to, hopefully, get some rainbow chicks.

This is why I have several pairs going right now.

I have 2 clearwings that I'm pairing up with a greywing hen and a possible split dilute hen
and I have several other greywings mixed into the rest of the flock just in case I need a back up plan.

You will need at least 2 pairs to make this work otherwise you'd end up having to linebreed, breeding babies back to the parents. This is something mostly done with rare and new mutations that would die out otherwise.

You can see now why true rainbows are rare, it's hard getting the combinations just right when you are working with recessive and sex linked genes.
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