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Spyromon 04-22-2014 04:53 AM

Slate? or Mauve with Violet(sf? df?)
 
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I've been having some argues with some friends about the mutations of these 2 budgies (they are a pair) and i am mostly interested to know everyone's opinions mostly about the male's mutation.

So what do you guys and girls think they are? They are both Spangle Opaline and they both have WHITE tails, WHITE cheek patches but male has a also very little dark violet or dark grey spots.

The female also seems to be Dominant-Pied as well.

Is the male Slate? Or Mauve with Violet(sf? df?)

I have given them the ids "B7" for the female and "B8" for the male.

Also here are 2 videos of them (view them in 1080p mode for Full HD experience):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwo...it?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwo...it?usp=sharing

Aisliyna 04-22-2014 05:14 AM

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I see grey with a dark factor or 2 when I look at the hen.

The boy looks like my "Shade" whom is mauve with df violet but I've never seen a slate up close and personal so it's hard for me to say. He is very dark in that 3rd pic.

Spyromon 04-22-2014 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aisliyna (Post 2104209)
I see grey with a dark factor or 2 when I look at the hen.

The boy looks like my "Shade" whom is mauve with df violet but I've never seen a slate up close and personal so it's hard for me to say. He is very dark in that 3rd pic.

Your photo of budgies seems to be more (blue-ish) vibrant colours from my male. At first i thought Anthracite??? but then i noticed from the photos with flash he showed some purple.

My hen seems Mauve, she doesn't have any vibrant colours so she probably doesn't have any Violet Factor.

My personal opinnion about the male is that he is Mauve (Mauve is 2 darkness factor blue, is this correct?) and Violet (df). I will try to get a closer photo of his cheek patches, which are a mix of white and dark violet i think...

I don't think we have slates here in my country but we import A LOT of parrots from abroad so i wouldn't be surpised to see any new mutations from Germany. The only mutation that we don't have for sure here is the Texas Clearbody.

Spyromon 04-22-2014 05:30 AM

by the way thanks for the fast reply.

Please note that i know a lot about mutations but i do mistakes half of the times as i don't notice some stuf.

Aisliyna 04-22-2014 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Spyromon (Post 2104281)
Your photo of budgies seems to be more (blue-ish) vibrant colours from my male. At first i thought Anthracite??? but then i noticed from the photos with flash he showed some purple.

My hen seems Mauve, she doesn't have any vibrant colours so she probably doesn't have any Violet Factor.

My personal opinnion about the male is that he is Mauve (Mauve is 2 darkness factor blue, is this correct?) and Violet (df). I will try to get a closer photo of his cheek patches, which are a mix of white and dark violet i think...

I don't think we have slates here in my country but we import A LOT of parrots from abroad so i wouldn't be surpised to see any new mutations from Germany. The only mutation that we don't have for sure here is the Texas Clearbody.

The hen has a light blue hue to her so I thought grey with a violet factor but I could very well be wrong. It's always hard for me when they have white cheek patches and my eyesight isn't great.

I think you're right about the male, 2 dark factors and 2 violet factors could very well be the reason for his dark colour. I'm not sure if anyone here has much experience with anthracite or slate to tell you for sure. I haven't seen any here in Australia yet but we have lots of Texas Clearbodies. In fact the other cock in that photo is a TCB I found in a pet shop.

I'm still learning about mutations and I have a long way to go but I love it, it really intrigues me. I hope you are able to figure out for sure what they are!

Spyromon 04-22-2014 05:53 AM

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I'm still learning about mutations and I have a long way to go but I love it, it really intrigues me. I hope you are able to figure out for sure what they are!

Same here. Just when i think i am sure about an identification i make, i realize that 50% of the times i am wrong.

I noticed that for a more exact identification, a lot of photos of the budgie are needed in Daylight. And it also depends on the camera you are using and the settings.

Spyromon 04-22-2014 06:05 AM

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I think you're right about the male, 2 dark factors and 2 violet factors could very well be the reason for his dark colour.

Here is another photo of him from a video i took recently. So i think you are right.

kspudz 04-22-2014 11:11 AM

Your hen reminds me very much of my Jemima. I don't know a whole lot about mutations...I think she's a mauve opaline sf spangle. I'll post a photo tomorrow from my OC (on an iPad at the moment).

Spyromon 04-22-2014 11:48 AM

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Your hen reminds me very much of my Jemima. I don't know a whole lot about mutations...I think she's a mauve opaline sf spangle. I'll post a photo tomorrow from my OC (on an iPad at the moment).

I think you are right about the hen's mutation, but she is also a pied.

Spyromon 04-22-2014 11:51 AM

This is unbelievable, a few hours ago, i went home for lunch only to find out that this specific hen murdered 2 babies (that hatched yesterday) and seriously injured their budgie mom. There were another 3 eggs in the nest that she didn't damaged and I placed them in an incubator (because mom is seriously injured and refuses to enter the nest). I hope the babies will hatch normally in 1-3 days. Now i either have to find a foster mom urgently or make my own brooder. I know how to handfeed budgies but never fed hatchlings.

Wish me luck. :(

despoinaki 04-22-2014 03:07 PM

Omg, I hope everything goes well with the poor hachlings! I have experienced this in the past, I had a hen also who killed her baby. Did you separate her from the flock?

Aisliyna 04-22-2014 06:27 PM

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Unfortunately this is something we see a lot here. It is the reason why we don't recommend colony breeding, here's a thread that explains why: https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=106210.

I hope you are able to help the injured mother and remaining eggs.

kspudz 04-23-2014 10:23 AM

Oh no, that's terrible! :eek: I hope the eggs/hatchlings and the mother will be ok. Please keep us posted if you can!

Not that you probably want to see her now(!) but here's a photo of my Jemima. (She's missing most of her top beak.)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...28Jemima01.jpg

Spyromon 04-23-2014 06:27 PM

I placed the 3 remaining eggs in an incubator. The next day one of the eggs hatched. I saw the injured mom was still using the nest (i had replaced the 3 eggs with plastic ones), so i moved the eggs and the new hatchling back in the nest. Tomorrow afternoon i will check them again but i think the mom is happy to have new babies.

Spyromon 04-23-2014 06:32 PM

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Oh no, that's terrible! :eek: I hope the eggs/hatchlings and the mother will be ok. Please keep us posted if you can!

Not that you probably want to see her now(!) but here's a photo of my Jemima. (She's missing most of her top beak.)

The male budgie in the photos i attached in the beginning of the post with id B8 is also missing half of his upper beak. It isnt noticable because he has a lot of feathers covering it.

Spyromon 04-23-2014 06:40 PM

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Omg, I hope everything goes well with the poor hachlings! I have experienced this in the past, I had a hen also who killed her baby. Did you separate her from the flock?

Yes Despina. I placed her in another cage where there are other nests to use to lay her eggs and there are no other hens in there. The hen probably entered her nest to check it out. While mom was out to eat and killed the babies within seconds and later on when mom returned they started a fight.

Unfortynally i have to have them as a colony as i have other parrots as well and can't take care of all of them so having them in a colony it is easier to take care of them.

Birdmanca 04-23-2014 06:43 PM

From what I see of the bird in the middle photo, appears gaey with blueish shades. I am not a color expert. get color perfect, show the photos to a store like Kelly Moore, or any paint store, they would know all shades.

Spyromon 04-23-2014 06:49 PM

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Mom who was attacked.
babies saved.

Spyromon 04-24-2014 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Birdmanca (Post 2107393)
From what I see of the bird in the middle photo, appears gaey with blueish shades. I am not a color expert. get color perfect, show the photos to a store like Kelly Moore, or any paint store, they would know all shades.

I think the female isnt' a Mauve afterall... she doesn't look blueish at all. It's getting confusing. The male maybe is grey with Violet(df), i really don't know. it's getting confusing. I will need to ask some experts to come see them from close. The light is a bit tricky towards their colours.

CuteLittleBirdies 04-24-2014 10:21 PM

I agree with Allie in going off of these photos :)

Your hen appears to be a violet grey, opaline, sf spangle.

Your male a mauve, df violet, opaline, sf spangle.

despoinaki 04-25-2014 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spyromon (Post 2107385)
Yes Despina. I placed her in another cage where there are other nests to use to lay her eggs and there are no other hens in there. The hen probably entered her nest to check it out. While mom was out to eat and killed the babies within seconds and later on when mom returned they started a fight.

Unfortynally i have to have them as a colony as i have other parrots as well and can't take care of all of them so having them in a colony it is easier to take care of them.

well, I hope non of this happens in the future...


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