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I think it is cute, and remember every type of budgie, helicopter, crested, different colours etc, started with a mutation from normal budgies!
Yes, and its amazing the variety we have nowadays!

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I love little quirks like this! I don't know the first thing about helicopter budgies (first I've heard of it, but I'm a newbie with budgies), but I sure do hope that he is. He's adorable!!
Aww, thank you!!

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I believe that helicopters like cresteds are easily identified from the time the feather follicles start coming in. Since Luigi has just recently developed this I am quite sure it is just a feather quirk rather than a true genetic mutation causing it
Thank you for your input, Lindsey! I'm keeping a closer eye on Luigi to see if there will be more changes or not. This morning I noticed a tiny bump on the other "shoulder" wing but it's still too soon to tell whether the same clump of odd feathers will develop there or not.

His father, Carioca has always had misplaced feathers, namely the secondary flight ones. I attributed this to him being somewhat overweight making the feathers to be ruffled and not in their normal position, but now I'm wondering if there isn't another cause. He has lost some weight during the previous clutches and the feathers are still misplaced.

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Hehe he's so cute with that patch of helo feathers! The 2nd photo looks like he's saying "Are you admiring the propellers on my wings?"

Hope it stays, Ana.
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Are you kidding? Those feathers are adorable!! I am sure he will have girls fighting over him
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Hi Ana,
I have to go with the majority;I do not know enough about budgies to suggest an answer to your question but...I think Luigi looks so unique and, as you say, he does not care about the feathers so it does not really matter, does it?
BTW he is a beautiful boy and I absolutely LOVE his name.
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He is so cute! Helicopter or not!!
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Feather abnormalities can be a sign of underlying illness and disease.
I would suggest a vet checkup with blood work to rule this out. I would also be inclined to take the father if he too has feather abnormalities.

Out of interest do you have pictures of the fathers feathering.
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Luigi is just as cute as can be! I think his little helicopter feathers are just a "beauty" mark for him.
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Hi, Some times two budgies will sleep cuddled together and or pushed against the wires of the cage and their feathers will twist out of smooth shape some times a good spritz and preening will get things back in order. Some times it will take a few weeks. Since these are not flight feathers, I would not panic. You could try pulling the feathers and see if they grow in straight. You could try to untwist the feathers or wait for another molt. some times our birds will get their collar area feathers flipped around. We tease them out and lay them flat and that usually works. Other times I just gave up and ignored it and surprise, one day they are laying correctly. I do not like twisted feathers either, but these little quirks make me learn patience. This could be a small feather cyst and since there is a similar issue starting on the other side I would get a vet to check it out. the cysts usually show up on the fluffy English. If you catch these early enough you may be able to fix the problem in the future. get your vet to show you. Sometimes a stitch is needed to close the cyst. This could be another type of growth.

We check all of our birds every few months for abnormal growths as part of a wellness check in between vet visits in an effort to catch problems early. We found a growth on Jack Frost's wing the size of a pea and it was malignant . Fortunately we found it early. The wing was amputated but Jack is fine and currently in a nest box dreaming of chicks with his lady love. Birds do not like being restrained or punched and prodded but it is our responsibility to watch for these things and get them the medical care they need but can not get on their own. So always be safe and check out something that is out of order. Animals with rapid metabolism are more often prone to abnormal growths. These are a few cells that get a wrong growth signal and take off out of natural order.

Jack has long since forgiven me for messing with his wing as do our other birds who need meds or nails trimmed. We take time to calm them when we have to do something for them. If you are calm and firm they will respond and calm down. If you are afraid of bites or harming the bird it will pick this up and react so try to be very calm before you work with your birds and yes they will forgive you. We often give the nippy ones a piece of kleenex to chew on to keep them busy and allow them to express their frustration by chewing on that kleenex. It is a whole lesson in it self watching the way budgies use their beaks to obtain their needs.

Today, Apollo was all huffed up at me because he needed his Ivermectin, nails clipped and his exam for abnormal growths. He hates this but a few minutes after I set him down he reached over and gave me a little nip, just telling me he was mad but then we took a piece of millet and had some snuggle time. He woke up from his nap ready to play and sing and tell us all about the budgie world. Have faith that your bird will know the difference and still honor your bond. Best wishes, Jo Ann
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I thank you all for your kind words and comments!

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Feather abnormalities can be a sign of underlying illness and disease.
I would suggest a vet checkup with blood work to rule this out. I would also be inclined to take the father if he too has feather abnormalities.

Out of interest do you have pictures of the fathers feathering.
Carioca was a stray budgie that I found on my back yard on the Summer of 2010, he had landed on the budgie's cage and I took him in. Since he wasn't claimed I made him part of the flock. He was still a baby by the time I rescued him.

This picture was taken after quarantine (Carioca is the dark green budgie) and as you can see he still had most of his baby barring. Before introducing him to the flock he was thoroughly examined and tested by the vet and all results were negative and he was given a clean bill of health.



During the almost 4 years that I have had him, he never had an off day, nor did he show any sign of illness, in fact out of all my birds, he is the healthiest one. Never even gotten a little cold. I'm positive he is healthy.

Here's another one of my 3 little stray rescues, (Carioca, Heidi and Tito) Carioca is the last budgie standing at present.


I have only noticed his out of place feathers for the past couple of years or so. These I took this morning and you can see the ruffled flight feathers and another that doesn't quite set well on him.


Some days, both wing feathers look like that, while others there is only one. Maybe he doesn't preen them well...


By the way, neither Carioca, nor Luigi sleep in weird positions or damage their feathers when playing. Carioca sleeps each night on the top perch and not against the cage bars. Luigi always sleeps and naps on his big swing.

I have mentioned before that I checked the feathers and they weren't damaged on the stem or anywhere else.
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Hi, Some times two budgies will sleep cuddled together and or pushed against the wires of the cage and their feathers will twist out of smooth shape some times a good spritz and preening will get things back in order. Some times it will take a few weeks. Since these are not flight feathers, I would not panic. You could try pulling the feathers and see if they grow in straight. You could try to untwist the feathers or wait for another molt. some times our birds will get their collar area feathers flipped around. We tease them out and lay them flat and that usually works. Other times I just gave up and ignored it and surprise, one day they are laying correctly. I do not like twisted feathers either, but these little quirks make me learn patience. This could be a small feather cyst and since there is a similar issue starting on the other side I would get a vet to check it out. the cysts usually show up on the fluffy English. If you catch these early enough you may be able to fix the problem in the future. get your vet to show you. Sometimes a stitch is needed to close the cyst. This could be another type of growth.

We check all of our birds every few months for abnormal growths as part of a wellness check in between vet visits in an effort to catch problems early. We found a growth on Jack Frost's wing the size of a pea and it was malignant . Fortunately we found it early. The wing was amputated but Jack is fine and currently in a nest box dreaming of chicks with his lady love. Birds do not like being restrained or punched and prodded but it is our responsibility to watch for these things and get them the medical care they need but can not get on their own. So always be safe and check out something that is out of order. Animals with rapid metabolism are more often prone to abnormal growths. These are a few cells that get a wrong growth signal and take off out of natural order.

Jack has long since forgiven me for messing with his wing as do our other birds who need meds or nails trimmed. We take time to calm them when we have to do something for them. If you are calm and firm they will respond and calm down. If you are afraid of bites or harming the bird it will pick this up and react so try to be very calm before you work with your birds and yes they will forgive you. We often give the nippy ones a piece of kleenex to chew on to keep them busy and allow them to express their frustration by chewing on that kleenex. It is a whole lesson in it self watching the way budgies use their beaks to obtain their needs.

Today, Apollo was all huffed up at me because he needed his Ivermectin, nails clipped and his exam for abnormal growths. He hates this but a few minutes after I set him down he reached over and gave me a little nip, just telling me he was mad but then we took a piece of millet and had some snuggle time. He woke up from his nap ready to play and sing and tell us all about the budgie world. Have faith that your bird will know the difference and still honor your bond. Best wishes, Jo Ann
Thank you for commenting Jo Ann.
As I said, neither one of them have weird sleeping positions. I won't be pulling Luigi's feathers, they're not bothering him and I would rather wait for them to fall on their own.

Maybe it could be worth to mention that Luigi is Carioca's first born son. Before him, Carioca had 4 daughters with the same mate (Mona) of which I kept one, Peppy who is now over a year old. None of the daughters have misplaced or helicopter feathers.
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