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Hi to all,

I need some assistance identifying this pair.
I have an idea of what their mutation is but i need more opinnions.
In 2 months i will give them as a birthday gift to a friend of mine, as he liked them a lot. The hen is currently sitting on eggs that will soon hatch. So i would like to calculate what mutation they are.

Awaiting opinions

Spangle?
Opaline?
Dominant Pied?
Grey or Mauve?
Violet factor?
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Didn't we already talk about this pair?

I think it was suggested the hen was

grey opaline spangle clearflight pied, most likely with dark and violet factors but I couldn't telling you if sf or df.

and the cock

df violet mauve opaline spangle
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I would love to have them lol, they are stunning
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Very lucky friend, I suggest you also give a small written note with TB address as a hand guide Can't go wrong, oh and on that note please add more pictures wanted to be seen by TB members as well
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Didn't we already talk about this pair?

I think it was suggested the hen was

grey opaline spangle clearflight pied, most likely with dark and violet factors but I couldn't telling you if sf or df.

and the cock

df violet mauve opaline spangle
Yes we had a conversation about them before, but i wanted to see if people would say the same things. I keep on getting confused with the grey mutation. I've checked over and over again the grey mutation and i feel like it is not a grey, because it is a bit blueish (perhaps maybe of a Violet factor? i have no idea...). The photos are correct, so i will trust you with Dominant Grey.
The Spangle gene changes the cheek patches to white and the tail to white so i couldn't figure out if the hen is Grey for sure and can't figure out if she is also a Mauve (has 2 dark factors).

Now for the Clearflight Pied shown on the female... i thought it was a Dom. Pied because of the small stripe on the chest. I checked cute little aviary website and the Clearflight Pied mutation does display any stripes but could show some signs of white above the chest. On the other hand, the wings look like a Clearflight, but if you check them again you will see most of the wing is covered with shapes. I thought clearflight only has a small portion of the wing with shapes. Can you check again please? We mostly have Rec. Pieds, Dom. Pieds and very rarely Clearflight Pieds here where i live.

Yes we both agree about the male. He is Mauve Spangle Opaline and Violet(df) because the blue and violet colour on him is really really really bold when you check him from close by. Half of his upper beak is missing (the breeder i bought him from said another hen attacked him when he was a baby) but i couldn't ignore such a beauty, so i bought him.
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Yes we had a conversation about them before, but i wanted to see if people would say the same things. I keep on getting confused with the grey mutation. I've checked over and over again the grey mutation and i feel like it is not a grey, because it is a bit blueish (perhaps maybe of a Violet factor? i have no idea...). The photos are correct, so i will trust you with Dominant Grey.
The Spangle gene changes the cheek patches to white and the tail to white so i couldn't figure out if the hen is Grey for sure and can't figure out if she is also a Mauve (has 2 dark factors).

Now for the Clearflight Pied shown on the female... i thought it was a Dom. Pied because of the small stripe on the chest. I checked cute little aviary website and the Clearflight Pied mutation does display any stripes but could show some signs of white above the chest. On the other hand, the wings look like a Clearflight, but if you check them again you will see most of the wing is covered with shapes. I thought clearflight only has a small portion of the wing with shapes. Can you check again please? We mostly have Rec. Pieds, Dom. Pieds and very rarely Clearflight Pieds here where i live.

Yes we both agree about the male. He is Mauve Spangle Opaline and Violet(df) because the blue and violet colour on him is really really really bold when you check him from close by. Half of his upper beak is missing (the breeder i bought him from said another hen attacked him when he was a baby) but i couldn't ignore such a beauty, so i bought him.
I have a CF pied with the same thin stripe and I was told by a show breeder that it's a fault and not because she's dom. pied. A dom. pied would have more white on the belly and on the wings. Whether that's true or not, I couldn't say.

Violet makes grey look blueish but if you aren't sure you could always test breed her with a non spangle blue series budgie.

I would have brought him home too. Will his disability affect his ability to feed his hen/chicks?
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I have a CF pied with the same thin stripe and I was told by a show breeder that it's a fault and not because she's dom. pied. A dom. pied would have more white on the belly and on the wings. Whether that's true or not, I couldn't say.

Violet makes grey look blueish but if you aren't sure you could always test breed her with a non spangle blue series budgie.

I would have brought him home too. Will his disability affect his ability to feed his hen/chicks?
I've seen him feed her before. At first i was worried he wouldn't be able to eat seeds. But he eats them fine. The upper part of the beak is not so bad compared to missing the lower berak. I think if a budgie is missing the lower part of the beak will never be able to eat on its own. I raised a baby that was attacked by mom because she wanted to lay eggs sooner and i handfed that baby for 2 months additionally. Baby remained small in size and had a lot of difficulties to eat. Thank God his lower beak grew back. I managed to take him out of the nest before his mom bit off deeper. Since there was almost no blood it means she didn't do a lot of damage, but the beak needed 2 months to grow up to a normal point.
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I've seen him feed her before. At first i was worried he wouldn't be able to eat seeds. But he eats them fine. The upper part of the beak is not so bad compared to missing the lower berak. I think if a budgie is missing the lower part of the beak will never be able to eat on its own. I raised a baby that was attacked by mom because she wanted to lay eggs sooner and i handfed that baby for 2 months additionally. Baby remained small in size and had a lot of difficulties to eat. Thank God his lower beak grew back. I managed to take him out of the nest before his mom bit off deeper. Since there was almost no blood it means she didn't do a lot of damage, but the beak needed 2 months to grow up to a normal point.
Wow that's one lucky baby. I guess it's a common occurrence because I've heard a few stories about mother hens breaking their chicks beaks.

It's good your mauve cock can eat and feed, I'm sure he'll make a great father to their chicks.
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