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CrystalU 02-08-2015 08:46 PM

What mutation/colour are these??
 
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Can anybody tell me what mutation my 2 budgies are?
If anyone wants to explain the different types I would also appreciate it!
Also looking for a hen to breed to my blue and yellow boy.. Wanting to breed unusual colours, anybody wanna give me advice as to which colour hen to look for?
Thankyou

CrystalU 02-08-2015 08:48 PM

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My blue and yellow boy

tonic 02-09-2015 03:54 AM

Hi there, the first is a Recessive Pied, Skyblue maybe, male.

Second is a Dominant Pied, possible Golden Face though the photo seems to be enhancing the colour so it may be a Yellow Face type 2 instead. The body colour could be cobalt but again the photo may be altering the shade.

He should make pretty babies with any hen, though I'd probably pick a blue Normal or Opaline.

CrystalU 02-09-2015 06:00 PM

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Hi, thank you for your response! What is reccesive and dominant pied and also golden face/yellow face? What do they mean? The white is in fact skyblue.. Ill attach another photo of the blue and yellow :)
Also what does opaline mean/look like?
Thank you again

StarlingWings 02-09-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CrystalU (Post 2750497)
Hi, thank you for your response! What is reccesive and dominant pied and also golden face/yellow face? What do they mean? The white is in fact skyblue.. Ill attach another photo of the blue and yellow :)
Also what does opaline mean/look like?
Thank you again

Okay, so pied is where the bird possesses a gene to make him look "splotchy"-so like your first bird (the white one), he is pied, since he has random splashes of blue. However, he's also recessive pied, which I'm pretty sure just means that there's less of the body color and more of the underlying color (usually the face color, so yellow (for green birds) or white (for blue or violet birds))

Dominant pied birds still have splashes of color, but in more of a regulated pattern. Usually, it'll be a band of the regular color (green, blue, violet, grey) across their belly, on a background of the basic or underlying color (white or yellow) Since neither of your birds seem to have that, they look recessive pied.

Golden face and yellow face are two genetic mutations which make the face a different color from the "usual". Blue birds, as an example, usually have white faces. If, however, they are goldenface or yellowface, their faces will be yellow, while their body is still blue. The only difference between golden and yellow face is that golden face is a darker yellow, while yellowface is a lighter yellow, like butter. Your blue boy is either one of those, it looks like goldenface :)
Also, if they have either yellow or goldenface type II (2), it means the yellow from their face "bleeds" into the rest of their body color, causing a blue bird to be "turquoise". If it is yellow or goldenface type I (1), the color will stay separate from the other color and not blend to form another color.

Finally, opaline is a wing pattern where the body color mixes into the wing feathers. In "normal" birds, the lighter edges of the feathers are white (if the bird is blue, violet or gray) or yellow (if the bird is green). In Opalines, the edges are the same as the color of the body. Also, the mutation causes the stripes on the bird's head and neck to be lighter, almost grey. Between the wings (the "v" shape between the tops of the wings) it should also not be striped like "normal" birds.
I hope that answers your questions about that, if you have any more, PM me or just ask, I'd be happy to help ;)

I think you should choose a opaline or spangled bird which would ensure that the chicks would have lovely wing patterns! (Spangled is where the wings don't have a dark pattern, it's a light pattern instead)
As for colors, I would choose a violet bird or a grey if you like the blue birds, you would probably get some chicks pied or with yellowface also!
If you want more of a variety, I would suggest a green hen, as green and blue chicks are always cute :D
Here's a lovely link by CuteLittleBirdies so you can look up the different mutations! Budgie Mutation And Color Guide - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

I hope I could help, and good luck with your budgies!

CrystalU 02-09-2015 10:18 PM

Thankyou heaps! :) I actually understood that! (I haven't been able to get the hang of the different types and seen as ill be starting to breed soon I better start!) :) chop (my blue and yellow) will be the start of my breeding.. Will eventually get more budgies after I get him a gf once I get an aviary done :) smudgie (my white) is just my baby and will never breed :)
Thank you again for your help :)

Reese 02-09-2015 10:35 PM

The first bird looks like a double factor (DF) dominant pied to me. :o Which means he has two copies of the dominant pied gene causing twice as much pied (white) patches!

But yes! Your blue and yellow boy is a Cobalt Single factor (SF) Dominant pied SF Golden face. I absolutely love his pied markings! :love:

StarlingWings 02-09-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CrystalU (Post 2751313)
Thankyou heaps! :) I actually understood that! (I haven't been able to get the hang of the different types and seen as ill be starting to breed soon I better start!) :) chop (my blue and yellow) will be the start of my breeding.. Will eventually get more budgies after I get him a gf once I get an aviary done :) smudgie (my white) is just my baby and will never breed :)
Thank you again for your help :)

Of course, it's my pleasure! Keep us updated on the birdies :budge:

CrystalU 02-10-2015 04:37 AM

Thank you to everyone :) really appreciate it :) can't wait to buy chop (blue and yellow) a gf and make some babies! I'm sure ill be turning to here heaps more for advice! Haha xx

SusanBudgies 02-10-2015 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CrystalU (Post 2747362)
Can anybody tell me what mutation my 2 budgies are?
If anyone wants to explain the different types I would also appreciate it!
Also looking for a hen to breed to my blue and yellow boy.. Wanting to breed unusual colours, anybody wanna give me advice as to which colour hen to look for?
Thankyou

He's a sky blue pied. It's hard to determine which type(s) of pied due to absence of black markings. He might be a combined dominant-recessive pied. Does he have iris rings? If so, he probably has recessive pied in him. He also could be opaline or spangle.

Breeding him might help to determine his mutations. :)

He's lovely.


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