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Hi Guys...

I just brought two pairs of Budgies. I just wanted to know what mutations i have. Any experts can tell me..??

I am posting the pictures.

guys also suggest me the sex gender.






























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Hi Louis welcome to this forum

Pic # 1 Sky blue Opaline Cinnamon Female

Pic # 2 Lutino Male (the yellow budgie with red eyes)

Pic # 9 Cobalt Recessive Pied Male

4th budgie is Olive Green Cinnamon Female

I think for your convenience females are marked with red colour on their heads
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Thank You chirper.

I appreciate your comments. I just wanted to know that how you identified which is male and which is female ?? and how much you are sure about the colour mutations you guessed ??

and what will be the chicks of :

Sky blue Opaline Cinnamon Female + Lutino male ?
Cobalt Recessive Pied Male + Olive Green Cinnamon Female ?

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From both pairs mostly you will get Green Normal chicks
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Thank You chirper.

and what will be the chicks of :

Sky blue Opaline Cinnamon Female + Lutino male ?
Cobalt Recessive Pied Male + Olive Green Cinnamon Female ?

Thank You
The first pair will give greens and likely blues, with Normals, and Inos likely and the chance of Opaline and Cinnamons depending on what genes the male has hidden.

The second pair, again greens and likely blues (mid and dark shades so cobalt, mauve, dark green and olives), normals likely with surprises thrown in depending on what genes are hidden.
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Thank You tonic & chirper for your quick reply

If i swap the pairs, result will differ ??
like
Sky blue Opaline Cinnamon Female + Cobalt Recessive Pied Male ?
Lutino male + Olive Green Cinnamon Female ?


And which pair you guys suggest ??
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The first pair will give greens and likely blues, with Normals, and Inos likely and the chance of Opaline and Cinnamons depending on what genes the male has hidden.

The second pair, again greens and likely blues (mid and dark shades so cobalt, mauve, dark green and olives), normals likely with surprises thrown in depending on what genes are hidden.
Normally these pair cannot produce blue babies

Pair #1 = Blue female + Green male (Sex-linked recessive means Lutino male can mask but cannot be split to blue)

Paie # 2 = Blue male + Green female (Sex-linked females are always pure budgies means genotype and phenotype must be the same means cannot be split to blue)
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Normally these pair cannot produce blue babies

Pair #1 = Blue female + Green male (Sex-linked recessive means Lutino male can mask but cannot be split to blue)

Paie # 2 = Blue male + Green female (Sex-linked females are always pure budgies means genotype and phenotype must be the same means cannot be split to blue)
Not quite.....

The lutino is sexlinked but the green and blue are not so any sexlinked bird can be split for blue. Green and blue are passed on completely separately from the ino gene. Lutino can't mask blue either, a blue ino would be an Albino.

Same for the other pairing, hens can't be split for sex linked recessive genes but they can be split for any non-sex linked genes, such as blue.

I would say it is as normal for a green to be split blue than not so always expect blues from a green x blue mating.
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Thank You tonic & chirper for your quick reply

If i swap the pairs, result will differ ??
like
Sky blue Opaline Cinnamon Female + Cobalt Recessive Pied Male ?
Lutino male + Olive Green Cinnamon Female ?


And which pair you guys suggest ??
In those cases:

pair 1 would give all skyblues and cobalts, with normals likely and potentially opalines, cinnamons and recessive pieds depending on what genes each parents is split for.

pair 2 would likely give all greens though blues are possible if both parents are split for it, ino are likely and possibly cinnamons and surprises depending again on what the parents are split for.

There is always the chance of a complete surprise in the chicks!
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Not quite.....
Yes it is

Sex-linked female is an exceptional case to understand its genetic makeup and hereditary behaviour letís see this in simplest way

X chromosome (autosome): contains everything such colour, variety, shape etc = X

Y chromosome (allosome or sex): is smaller and only determines the gender = Y

Phenotype: The colour budgie shows

Genotype: The colour budgie carries in hidden form

Pure Budgie: Budgie having same phenotype & genotype is called pure budgie. Genetically pure Green Budgie = X(green) X(green)

Impure budgie or Split: When phenotype & genotype of a budgie is different the budgie called impure budgie or split. Genetically Green budgie split to blue = Green/Blue = X(green) X(blue)

Now look at the genetic makeup of sex-linked recessive female

For example Cinnamon Female = Xcinnamon Y(no colour or variety only gender) = Xcin Y

1. Can you say this budgie is split or can be split? Genetically sex-linked females cannot be split because the variety exists only on X chromosome and Y chromosome only determines the gender.

2. Being sex-linked recessive why in case of Male Normal/Cinnamon x Female Normal = 25% Cinnamon Females

This is because when itís a female and sex-linked gene is on X chromosome it will appear therefore it is said that hens cannot be split to any sex linked variety and because of this being recessive variety it appears in case of normal/ sex-linked males x normal females.
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