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Old 02-27-2015, 05:10 AM
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Hi People,

I have gone mad again........and ended up bringing 4 new budgies home (i think i'm near 30 now)........
Anyway.....what i thought was 3 DF spangles and 1 Violet Opaline......turned out to be 2 DF spangle hens, 1 Violet Opaline Male and.........from what i am guessing.......a skyblue (maybe violet) dilute recessive pied male......or maybe dom pied......i am not sure at all haha but defiantly a male
(pictured attached, 1 female has a lighter cere and other has nut brown) all look a mess but the prev owner had taken them out because they were being bullied.....or that's what i was told

Also i have a pair with just 1 chick (called Tango-Rebel)
Father is a DF grey(or gray)
mum is a SkyBlue Cinnamon
By right all chicks should be Grey Green (with males being split for cinnamon)
BUT this one chick is growing grey feathers on it's tail and body.......could this mean the hen is split for grey?

The attached pictures show the 2 hens (i swapped them over during pictures due to the tails....so i can keep an eye on them)
The male Violet (when i shine a light on his head, it goes purple) he has no tail feather when i got him but it has now started to grow back.
The other male (picture of his back also) he has a very light blue color on some parts of him......looks like a pied markings but very faint.....
i have looked on CuteLittleBirdies.......but couldn't put a mutation to him....or a mix
The last picture is the Grey and skyblue cinnamon pair

Thank you in advance, Sorry for all the questions
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Old 02-27-2015, 03:52 PM
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Hi there,

All the birds in the first 3 pictures do look like DF Spangles to me. The male has a lot of suffusion but he is too white for me to think he is a Dilute or anything else. I assume they are still young as the iris rings are not obvious. If they are adults that may indicate something else...The fourth picture looks like a Violet Opaline as you thought.


Tango-Rebel question. Grey and Skyblue are both blue series birds so you couldn't get any form of green from them. Grey is a blue bird with the grey gene. Greygreen is a green bird with the grey gene. If the father is df grey then all the chicks will get grey, as both parents are blue then the chick will be a blue with grey = grey. There is no way to get a greygreen from that pair.
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the violet opaline has a clear iris ring and the other male's iris is starting to show more but the girls don't have any haha.

I was going off the genetics calculator........lol

if the coloring on the white male is only on bits of him could that mean he is also pied? or could that be because of him being (a possible) DF spangle?
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30 budgies?! I can't imagine all the millet you must go through!

Your new additions are so cute. I especially like the budgie on the right in the second picture - the eyes look so cute!
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30 Budgies. How do you look after them all? My one budgie died before Christmas . I was heartbroken. So i have bought an extra large Prevue Flight Cage. I live in England so it was shipped over from America.It is a big cage so i have been getting all new perches toys etc. I decided to get two new babies in April. I was a bit dubious at first because i have only ever had two budgies before and years between each one. But i have been told that two is not much different to one. So i am sticking with that now. So how you can cope with 30 i cant imagine. Anyway i wish you luck. They are lovely birds.
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we have a big indoor aviary along with various cages and breeding cages, i know some people with over 60!!

almost all have name....i just counted 25 including babies
i have.....
Trooper, Mango, BlueLita, Percy, Cloud, BigBoy, Viking(the violet), Patchy(the other new male), Frost, Citrus, Rose, Barney, Wicked, Smirnoff, JD, Malibu, Tango-Rebel, Polo, Georgia, Salt, Pepper, Lou,Whitey and the 2 new hens
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Cant imagine it. Must make a lot of noise. You must be a very experienced budgie keeper. Or as you said. You must have gone mad.
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it's not that hard none are tame due to being so many, i breed them and we also breed zebra finches
the noise i can cope with, they all quieten down when i cover them up
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Congrat's on some beautiful acquisition's...

I am all for having as many as you can care for, would love to have more someday myself...
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the violet opaline has a clear iris ring and the other male's iris is starting to show more but the girls don't have any haha.

I was going off the genetics calculator........lol

if the coloring on the white male is only on bits of him could that mean he is also pied? or could that be because of him being (a possible) DF spangle?
Okay, so likely they are still young and will get iris rings soon. The pale blue is suffusion, its just a bit of body colour that shows through on some uncoloured birds such as DF Spanges and Inos. Suffusion usually shows in patches rather than everywhere though often around the sides ana rump. So you would have to breed to tell if there is pied in there also.
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