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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Hello, I am new to forums and would like to know what this mutation is Thanks in advance.
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Welcome to talk budgies forum....what a beautiful little bird you have. I am going to leave the mutation to some of our expert's, way out of my knowledge realm...
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He looks like a beautiful rececssive pied goldenface dark eyed clear! He is lovely, and it's a little hard to tell exactly because the dark eyed clear gene could be masking other visual genes, so he could be spangle or opaline (although I'm not sure) How old is he? Do you know his parentage?
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He looks like a beautiful rececssive pied goldenface dark eyed clear! He is lovely, and it's a little hard to tell exactly because the dark eyed clear gene could be masking other visual genes, so he could be spangle or opaline (although I'm not sure) How old is he? Do you know his parentage?
No I don't sorry, Bought him at the pet shop yesterday.
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No I don't sorry, Bought him at the pet shop yesterday.
Ahh, that would explain it In that case, he looks young-ish, and is definitely a dark eyed clear. The only thing I'm unsure about is df goldenface or recessive pied goldenface, both seem possible, although I'm leaning towards recessive pied because the yellow color seems to be more uneven.
At any rate, he is a gem! What's his name?
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Ahh, that would explain it In that case, he looks young-ish, and is definitely a dark eyed clear. The only thing I'm unsure about is df goldenface or recessive pied goldenface, both seem possible, although I'm leaning towards recessive pied because the yellow color seems to be more uneven.
At any rate, he is a gem! What's his name?
Thank you, My little brother labeled him "Banana" had to go with it, Too cute
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Thank you, My little brother labeled him "Banana" had to go with it, Too cute
I agree, it's quite an adorable title! And it suits him Congrats on your new friend!
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I believe he is a blue series Dark Eyed Clear with Sf yellowface II (Possibly Goldenface?).
OR he could just be a very young DF spangle YFII that has yet to get iris rings and a mature blue cere.

If his eyes are actually red he is Creamino. (Albino + Yellowface/Goldenface)
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I believe he is a blue series Dark Eyed Clear with Sf yellowface II (Possibly Goldenface?).
OR he could just be a very young DF spangle YFII that has yet to get iris rings and a mature blue cere.

If his eyes are actually red he is Creamino. (Albino + Yellowface/Goldenface)
So it's not just me who's confused about spangle vs. dark eyed clear!! I think goldenface is definite, though, judging by the mask feathers.

What do you think about the spreading of yellow on the body? YFII or recessive pied? Recessive pieds don't have iris rings either.
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There is a difference between DF spangle and Dark eyed clear! It's just hard to tell without knowing how old this bird is or his parentage; it's tough to say!

Dark eyed Clear is an all white/yellow bird. It is a cross between the Clearflight pied and Recessive pied genes. They keep the baby eyes their whole life and males never develop a mature blue cere.

Double Factor spangles are also all white/ yellow but they develop iris rings as they age and the males ceres turn blue. When very young they look near identical to DEC's though.


YF/GF can have varying degrees of suffusion to any white areas on a bird depending on whether or not they are single factor or double factor YF/GF.

He is not recessive pied though as they typically have random patches of barring on the face and wings and a distinct patch of body color between the legs. They're never totally clear of barring/body color like this and the gene itself has little to do with the yellow suffusion.
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