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So... I'm doing a some research on the yellowface type two mutation (because, come on, they are gorgeous! My favourite! )
I know nothing about budgie genetics, but I am pretty knowledgeable in horse genetics, (Don't know if they are similar, haha) and I need this information and I know google isn't accurate very often, so i'm asking the experts! Also, any picture examples would be appreciated!! Thank you all so much! x

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Have you ever checked out cutelittlebirdies website ? She has wonderful mutation info with lot's of beautiful pic's...

https://talkbudgies.com/redirect-to/?...lor-guide.html
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For you research these will be helpful articles

https://users.tpg.com.au/users/kyorke...YELLOWFACE.pdf

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Chirper and Randy have given you some great resources! If you want to see some pictures of Mallorn, I can post some on here for you!

I would like to add that as babies, yellowface II budgies look like yellowface I. The blue and yellow usually don't combine to form that lovely seafoam color until after the first moult
And about horse genetics: I find that horse genetics are much easier than bird genetics because with birds, there are hundreds of combinations and mutations that can overlap or cover others.
I've been into bird genetics for many years and I still have my confusing moments
Good luck with finding more info!
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Chirper and Randy have given you some great resources! If you want to see some pictures of Mallorn, I can post some on here for you!

I would like to add that as babies, yellowface II budgies look like yellowface I. The blue and yellow usually don't combine to form that lovely seafoam color until after the first moult
And about horse genetics: I find that horse genetics are much easier than bird genetics because with birds, there are hundreds of combinations and mutations that can overlap or cover others.
I've been into bird genetics for many years and I still have my confusing moments
Good luck with finding more info!
Haha ty
It'd be amazing if you could post some pics of Mallorn on here for me to look at, thank you for the offer! x XD

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Here she is! The turquoise color is really visible at the top of her chest, and her back. Farther down her chest, it's blue, and you can see the yellow in her tail feathers that has bled into the body color

Here's a "wet budgie" picture, her color is really pronounced with the camera flash

Here's one of her baby pictures, she's pretty much blue and the yellow on her head isn't nearly as pronounced as it is now!

This is a good one to see the diffusion of yellow in her chest I was talking about.

This one too:

Oh, here's a good one of her wings and tail:

Here's another good tail/suffusion one. You can see the blue in certain places and the green in others.

Aand finally, the millet shot where I had to bribe her to look at the camera since the flash was on for this one too:


I hope this gave you a good idea of what to look for and a better idea about this gorgeous mutation!
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Thanks StarlingWings! I can see the differences between types 1 and 2, and golly it is a lovely mutation!! *crosses fingers for this type*
Mallorn is such a gorgeous girl! I love the photo of her preening her tail, she looks like she's got a huge personality!
Thanks! x
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Thanks StarlingWings! I can see the differences between types 1 and 2, and golly it is a lovely mutation!! *crosses fingers for this type*
Mallorn is such a gorgeous girl! I love the photo of her preening her tail, she looks like she's got a huge personality!
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You're quite welcome, I agree that it is lovely, definitely one of my favorites!

Thank you so much, her personality is definitely one of the larger things I have in my house....
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Love all these horse and bird people! I too thought budgie genetics might not be too hard because I know horse genetics. Hah! I mean the basic knowledge is there, but Budgies are much more complicated.

At least in my area yellowface II is much more common than yellowface I. Yellowface II can be carried as single factor (SF) with one copy of the gene or double factor (DF) with two copies. If you don't know the parents you can't tell until after the babies first moult. In single factor the yellow from the face will wash down through the body color turning out a green or seafoam (like Starling's bird with SF YF II on sky blue) depending on the base color of the bird. So if you want to breed specifically for the single factor with that wash, you want to cross a DF Yellowface II with a non yellowface. If you do that all of your babies will be SF yellowface II.

Hope that made sense. I think I have some comparison pictures I can put up shortly.
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Here is an article that explains the difference between the 3 yellowface mutations, as well as examples of each in sf and df forms: Yellowface I, Yellowface II And Goldenface - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

Here is some basic information about sf yellowface II, as well as what it looks like on sky, cobalt and mauve: Yellowface II (Single Factor) Budgies - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

Additional examples of sf yellowface II, with a variety of mutation combinations as well: Yellowface II Single Factor Budgie Mutation Combinations - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

How you can identify sf yellowface II: Help To Identify Yellowface II Single Factor Budgies - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

And lastly here are the breeding expectations for both sf and df yellowface II: Yellowface II Expectations - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

Hope that helps a bit
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