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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 04-08-2015, 07:33 PM
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Hi everyone, I would really appreciate your help.

I am looking at purchasing a new budgie today as I start to build up my breeding colony. I'm reasonably new at breeding so have been building my knowledge up on this forum over the last 6 months.

This budgie appears to be a normal cobalt blue with a white cap head. His baring is reasonably receeded which makes me think he/she is between 5-12 months old. Dark blue solid tail, no white on the wing tips, pink legs and no obvious sign of a specific mutation.

The problem is the owner can't tell me what sex the budgie is because she doesn't know. This budgie has a pink cere which has not changed since he/she was very young.

My thoughts are either a hidden mutation or a potential sign of illness given there is no colour in the cere and this is not a very young budgie.

Would appreciate anyone's help in what I should look for when I see this budgie to determine its sex.

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As Susan said, we can try to help with pictures. Does the owner give you a reason for not being able to tell you the age or sex of the budgie? Is he or she a breeder? Most breeders are very good about keeping records of birth, mutation and sex, and all of this information would be a boon to you if you're going to use this budgie to breed. It would make me slightly nervous to purchase a budgie from a breeder who couldn't tell me the sex or age, but perhaps he or she is a lovely breeder and there are other circumstances that aren't in your original post.

Best of luck with your breeding program, and great job for researching before committing!
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Hi Bethany and Susan, thanks for your posts. I haven't seen the budgie yet, hopefully around 5pm this evening so I can't post any pictures at this stage. I believe the budgie is just a pet with an owner who is obviously not that knowledgable.

Would you have any thoughts as to why a budgie of this age (5+ months) and a normal colbalt blue would not have a coloured cere?

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A male budgie's cere color can vary based on mutation.
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Would you have any thoughts as to why a budgie of this age (5+ months) and a normal colbalt blue would not have a coloured cere?
If he is an older bird and still has the baby pink cere and dark eyes, it's possible that he is a very poorly marked recessive pied.
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Old 04-09-2015, 03:38 AM
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Hi everyone, I have just seen this budgie and decided not to purchase it. I believe its a female as she had a mostly brown cere with light blue patches. I noticed she had some brown staining above her nostrils which through my research, I understand can be an indication of a respiratory illness. The bird also had feathers slightly covering the top of its eyes (which made the bird look cross) so not sure what this could be a sign off?.

Thank you for responding to my posts.

Cheers!
Lisa
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