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Here is a pic of my female, Cloud. She's a year old now and she has one solid black eye and the other eye has a dark grey iris. You have to shine a bright light in her poor little face to tell the difference between the eyes. I believe she's both recessive and dominant pied and opaline, but would the opaline cause her minimal stripes to be such a light color (they're so light they're difficult to even make out where they exist)? Or does she also have some kind of diluting factor?

I have a good picture of her from when she was a baby and a couple of poor pics that show more of her. She's difficult to photograph and now my phone is on the fritz so I can't take any new ones. The first is her baby pic (now she doesn't have the baby bars anymore, of course), then one of her preening next to Ninja to show how diluted her color is compared to his and then a grainy, rare front picture of her.

Can anyone explain what mutation would make her stripes so faint and her blue so diluted?

Thank you, ye olde experts of the budgies!
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Could be combo pied grey wing.
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I know budgies can be diluted - since her wings are clear, it's POSSIBLE she's a dilute (normal) + opaline or she could be a dilute clearwing opaline (masked by the pied).

RE: Dominant / Recessive pied. Didn't know a bird could be both, but I suppose it could happen? What an odd mixture of mutations.
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I feel fairly confident on the recessive and dominant pied mix in her, due to her two different eyes, one all black and one with a very dark grey iris.

I was wondering if she was maybe greywing but that it wasn't visible due to the pied. That would explain the diluting of her smudges of blue. I guess I was just wondering if opaline could dilute the color of the markings on the back of her neck to the point that they're barely visible.
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Cloud might be combined dominant-recessive pied.

Could be opaline and/or spangle, too. Pied reduces black markings, but so do opaline and spangle.

Attached are some pictures of my (lovely) hen, Noelle. She is either combined dom-rec pied or dominant pied split to recessive pied (she has produced recessive pied chicks). She's also spangle (she produced a df spangle chick) and possible opaline. She is cobalt or possibly cobalt violet.

The dilution in Cloud's body color can be caused by greywing or cinnamon mutations. The dilute mutation would have diluted her body color more than it is.

Cute Little Birdies' website has a lot of info regarding colors and mutations.
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Thank you! Noelle is lovely and does remind me of Cloud. It's interesting that the pied mutation or opaline or maybe the mix of both might be what causes her stripes to appear so faint, or perhaps she is also greywing which would also explain the body color dilution. Or perhaps she's just a weirdo with her weird non matching eyes. Ha
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