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I have a beautiful, in my opinion, little clutch of budgies I always thought of mom as 50% dilute and dad possibly being 10% dilute but now I don't know..In order to throw this mom would have to be grey wing and dad too, wouldn't he? Why is there little to no body color other than the grey wash?

Kermit and Gris, dad and mom

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Baby 3(not shown) looks like baby 1 but with a tint more green on the breast. Techinally both are gray green grey wings aren't they? And baby 2 would be a grey, grey wing?
Is Dad carrying the grey wing gene or is that a dominate gene from only mom? Pretty sure I have 2 males and 1 female. One of the green series has a pied patch on the back of head like dad making it female.

Also, what is up with the grey flights on baby 1? Baby 3 has grey flights too but not as dramatic as baby 1.

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Ah, what gorgeous budgies!
Now, I must say: what gorgeous Texas Clearbodies!
In fact, your Gris looks like a Texas Clearbody, a rare mutation where the body color is almost the same color as the face, but all the spots are the same intensity.
Because the Clearbody trait is a sex-linked trait, all the budgies who show the trait with only one parent must be female, because females only need 1 copy of the gene to show it, whereas males need two.
Since males have two x chromosomes, and females only have one (in birds), the females would be the only ones to show the trait.
UNLESS the father is split normal/clearbody, than all the chicks are female. Since the trait is recessive to normal, if one of the father's parents was a Texas Clearbody, then he is split for clearbody, and then any resulting male chicks would show the trait.
Sorry about the crash-course in genetics, hopefully it wasn't too confusing.
To restate:
Babies and mom are gorgeous Texas Clearbodies! If Kermit's father or mother looked like Gris or one of the babies (Texas Clearbodies) then you could have both males and females. If both his parents are normal, all the babies are hens
Oh, and I'll say that to me, it looks like one or both of the babies could be male!
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I was not expecting a clearbody answer I just had a look and the 3rd baby is probably a female. Blue cere with white rings around the nostrils.

So to clarify, Gris would be clearbody and Kermit would be /clearbody? And obviously they can produce any gender clearbody offspring? And they could produce normale /clearbody offspring?

If Kermit bred another non clearbody female he could still produce clearbody females? Gris would produce /clearbody males if bred with a different non / male?


I found a picture of Kermit from the back. Does he have some sort of flight feather mutation? I noticed his flights are lighter color than my other green birds, but then Kermit is slightly lighter bodied than most of my other greens.

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Perhaps Kermit is a poorly marked Clearbody himself? He seems to be a bit diluted and have some grey flights...any Clearbody experts have an opinion?
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I think Toni might be on to something . Closer pics of his flights would help . The male looks like he might be opaline which could be causing the dilution of his body colour .

You seem to have hit the genetic jackpot with him . I love the second baby . Reminds me so much of my Snowy , who was a Grey TCB himself .
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Wait - there is ONE correction.

If you breed an ino male to a tex.clearbody female, all the clearbodies will be male, and all the inos will be female - this is because texas clearbody is a par-ino mutation. Still not quite sure just how those two interact, but that is how you breed clearbodies and inos reliably every time. Just in case you were interested

You can also breed more clearbodies by having two clearbody parents - which I think you have - otherwise you probably wouldn't have gotten such a high proportion of clearbodies to normals. The male (green) looks like a badly marked clearbody - good news if you're just breeding for colour! More clearbodies for you
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Wait - there is ONE correction.

If you breed an ino male to a tex.clearbody female, all the clearbodies will be male, and all the inos will be female - this is because texas clearbody is a par-ino mutation. Still not quite sure just how those two interact, but that is how you breed clearbodies and inos reliably every time. Just in case you were interested
That is interesting.

Vinay, he does look opaline in the picture but he's not. Not sure why he photographs that way. It's one reason I always found Kermit confusing, his light dilute coloring compared to normal greens.

I wasn't sure if I would breed Kermit and Gris again, but after this answer I think I may.
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I forgot to say thanks for your help with the ID's I was going to give baby one to a friend but I'll wait until next clutch before giving him a baby. I think I might keep these guys.
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I would suggest you keep the males if you want more TCB chicks . Apparently , TCB combined with Grey and ino helps to reduce the body colour and give 'cleaner' birds. You could pair one of those chicks with an ino female in the future .
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I might do that, if I could ever find a ino female budgie. Last one I got hold of was supposed to be a hen, it turned out to be a male.. So I gave it to a friend since I was at 9 males and 3 hens. Now I have a ton of hens and lack of males, go figure. 2 of my 9 do not seem to like hens, only each other
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