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Old 05-05-2015, 05:20 PM
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Hi all.

I have tried this on the genetics calculator but something doesn't add up....

I have a DF grey Male
he is paired up with a Blue Cinnamon hen....

Now i have put the DF grey with cinnamon hen and this is the result:
100.0% 1.0 grey(sf) green /blue cinnamon
% from all 0.1
100.0% 0.1 grey(sf) green /blue

now by right i should have them chicks..........
Anyway 1st breeding gave me 1 grey female chick.....fair enough
but they laid again, now i have a blue chick, also female....

What am i missing here?
no matter what selection i put in, i never end up with a grey and a blue female.......

i have attached pictures of both mum and dad (mum's is an older picture)

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For that calculator, "1.0" means male and "0.1" means female.
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but none show blue or grey..........
how can i end up with 1 blue female and 1 grey female.....when apparently i should have grey (sf) green?
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The genetics calculator seems to think your male is green series. Which he is not.
With this pair you would never get any green series chicks (grey (sf) green). Since both parents are blue series they can only produce blue series chicks.

With that being said, Grey is a dominant gene and if your male has produced a blue non-grey chick, then that means he is not Double factor grey but rather single factor.
Double factor greys would produce 100% grey chicks.
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ahhhh, i though i was putting something wrong in

he has fathered more chicks with a different hen which all but 1 was grey (the mum was a blue opaline YF)

I had always thought and been told he was a DF grey due to how grey he is haha

So with this one being a hen, she will not be split cinnamon?
also how do i make it so the genetics calculator doesn't class him as a green? lol
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If he has produced blue chicks, then he's a handsome single factor grey. Genetically, SF greys have a 50% chance of producing a grey and a 50% chance of producing a non-grey (blue) with each fertile egg. DF greys will only produce sf greys when paired with a non-grey.
I think you got super lucky getting all those beautiful grey babies.


Yes, you are correct. Females cannot be split for cinnamon.
And to be honest, I'm not sure how. I've never really used a genetics calculator before! hehe
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......and all this time i thought he was a DF grey.....only about a year haha, his 1st clutch was 2 YF grey hens and 1 white face grey male, his second clutch was 2 YF grey's (one male one female and 1 blue female
Then with this hen he has had 1 wf hen and now he has 1 blue hen......
It's a shame he is 5 years old ):
hes one of my best males for breeding, hes currently got his chick and a foster chick, then hen came out of condition and started to attack him so i removed her
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Hehe. It's possible that he has a dark factor as well, causing his grey to be darker than what you'd expect on a sf. Has he produced any cobalt blues or were they all sky blue?

He is quite the handsome man! I've always had a fondness for greys.
I wish I could get into breeding budgies, but currently I don't have the space or resources to do so. So for now, it's just a future goal of mine.
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i'm not sure haha, i will find some pictures of the blue chick he had tomorrow (it's 12.01am here) so i need to get some sleep haha

i love my grey's, i am aiming to breed an grey spangle opaline YF so far i have his YF grey chick which is also split opaline........just need a spangle hen now haha

i better get some sleep i will make sure i find the pictures tomorrow thank you ^.^
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He must be sf grey.
If he would be df grey then all his chicks would be sf grey and all his offspring would be grey (blue grey, green grey)

but because he have blue offspring then he is sf grey.

here are the calculations from a sf grey normal male (with no other color adding factor)
and sky blue cinnamon normal female



% from all 1.0 (boys)
50.0% 1.0 grey(sf) blue /cinnamon (grey males split cinnamon)
50.0% 1.0 blue /cinnamon (blue males split cinnamon)

% from all 0.1 (girls)
50.0% 0.1 grey(sf) blue (grey females)
50.0% 0.1 blue (blue females)
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