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Ever since I got Mink, I've been noticing throat spot patterns... My Twigs being recessive pied has none, but he does have a cute small freckle on his left cheek

Anyway, I noticed that Mink's spots are all random. Some are large, some are small dots, all mingled together in a random pattern.



...While in other budgies, some seem to have 4 neat large dots in a row like a necklace, and yet others have a double layer of large dots, but arranged in a fairly organized fashion. Does it depend on the mutation whether they have a single or double row?

Will Mink's spots get more clear and defined with mature plumage? Or will they stay all random small and large dots?

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I will try to make sense with my answer, so here it goes:
Generally speaking, the smaller pet type budgies will have 3 throat spots on each side (the left and the right). Now certain colour mutations like double factor dominant pied and recessive pied may not have all the spots, some even have none (especially the double factor dominant pied budgies).
The spangle budgies also don't have the more normal throat spots, they have the markings there but they aren't exactly well made and perfectly formed spots.

The two rows of throat spots you mentioned are a characteristic of English budgies (your Mink is English) and after their first moult, the spots will even get larger. Some full English budgies even seem to have an all full black collar made by the big throat spots.
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Thanks, I figured she just has a baby pattern now .

So do all English (of the mutations that have spots) have the double row of large dots?
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Thanks for explaining that @aluz! I've been trying to find information about the spots, but had very little luck
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...So do all English (of the mutations that have spots) have the double row of large dots?
The answer is most but not 100%. For example, my macho Chewie (top) has the most prominent spots compared to my clean-cut Kobe's below.




BTW, Mink is such a little cutie!
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Thanks Nick, both the boys are handsome, but WOW that Chewie sure does look "macho"!!

If your boys saw Mink's picture, just remind them she is just a little girl.... and besides, she already is spoken for by another older man !
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Since we are talking about spots. my oliver only has 2 on each side. He is not a recessive and he is not pied, he does not have that patch on the back of his neck. I do not know what that makes him. lol he has 2 spots and unusually huge purple patch on cheeks
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with Aluz's informative answer, I also would like to add that theoretically speaking, the "perfect" budgie throat spots (for both English and American) are three on each side, perfectly rounded, and somehow proportional to the rest of the budgie. Honestly, this must be almost impossible to achieve, but that's what the American Budgerigar Association and the South African Budgie Association say in the show rules.

Since English budgies obviously tend to have more cheek spots, they are characterized by large, numerous throat spots, while the Americans tend to have no more than three on each side, maybe four. I believe that I read somewhere that English budgies were bred to have more drastic markings to increase the chances of getting a bird that meets these characteristics or something.

Yes, they will get more prominent as she grows up! You can see the three main "big" ones on her and the rest of the little ones surrounding her
She's so gorgeous, and I say this every time, but when she's all grown up she will look like she belongs on the red carpet!
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Aww, Thanks for the complements . Mink is just so cute she makes me giggle when I look at her he no eye look is precious!

I wonder if her body color (olive/violet) will somehow change too with the adult molt?
Oh, and SW I have to call upon your knowledge of mutations again I'm curious... You said Mink has single factor violet. What is the difference between sf and df, and what would the visual difference be if she were df?
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Aww, Thanks for the complements . Mink is just so cute she makes me giggle when I look at her he no eye look is precious!

I wonder if her body color (olive/violet) will somehow change too with the adult molt?
Oh, and SW I have to call upon your knowledge of mutations again I'm curious... You said Mink has single factor violet. What is the difference between sf and df, and what would the visual difference be if she were df?
Well, sf technically means that she only has one "factor", genetically meaning that none of any possible offspring would be guaranteed to have a violet factor. (although it's possible to pass it on) In df violets, there are two "factors", so all the chicks will have a violet factor.

Visually, DF greens are teal--they literally look very blue, but are green series birds, and can therefore get confused with well marked cobalt goldenface IIs.

Violet factors, as with all color adding or dark factors, end up intensifying a little bit after the first moult, usually, so considering her violet factor is pretty visible, she could possibly get even more "violet". You'll just have to wait and see! Who knows, she might even suddenly be a df!
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