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Old 11-02-2008, 06:10 AM
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Default A chick that has dark markings!!??

I am really confused
Apollo and Candy are both spangles. The have 5 chicks. The oldest is starting to get dark balckish brown markings. How can that be when both of the parents don't have and dark markings??!!
Here is Apollo:

Any candy:

Lol u get a good veiw of her butt
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(yoU cant see that clearly but it is getting markings on it back like stripes

It is the second to the top.(the biggest)
Apollo is a yf2 seafoam green spangle. Not sure what Candy is.

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one of them probably has part genes of another mutation which gives the baby that colour markings
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Candy looks like a violet spangle

I know when my spangles were born I didn't think i was going to have any spangles until they were feathered out then I saw they were spangles
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When 2 spangles are paired together you would expect to get 50% spangles, 25% normals (with dark markings) and 25% double factor spangles (which are pure white or yellow)
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Nev is right as usual. Shame he beat me to the post

Phenotypical spangles have only one spangle gene (lets call it S) which is semi-dominant to the one normal gene they posess (lets call it x).

So both your parent budgies are single factor spangles: Sx and Sx

Pairing these two together you could expect to get exactly what nev said:
25% - xx (normal wing markings)
50 % - Sx (spangle like the parents)
25% - SS (double factor spangle - which are clear coloured birds like ino's except they have dark eyes not red)

I hope you get at least one double factor! That would be awesome!
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P.S Candy looks like a spangle opaline. Normal feathering is black with white tips (on a white based bird). A single spangle gene reverses that so it is white feathers with black tips.

Spangle opalines have white feathers tipped with the body colour running through (white feather with blue tips in candy's case). I have a bird just like that, so the chances are you could expect 50% of your male chicks to be split for opaline (meaning they carry the gene from their mother, but males need one opaline gene from the mother and one from the father to be opaline, whereas females just need one from the father and i dont know if your male bird is split for opaline)

Hope that all makes sense lol.
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Thumbs up I love the first picture!

the first picture is to die for, oh my dream budgie! oh how I wish that i could find one just like that beautiful perfect one. Sorry just went temperarlly insane ove the first picture!
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Guthwulf is right about Candy. She is an opaline spangle violet. Hope that you are lucky enough to find that Apollo is split for opaline so that you get some chicks like her
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OK so i might get a noraml green out of it??
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OK so i might get a noraml green out of it??
Not green. The normals will be blue, yellow face blue or SF violet
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