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Old 06-07-2015, 04:04 PM
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Hi all

I know budgie mutations can be very interesting and confusing

I was wondering if anybody would be able to give me the following information:
What female's can be split for (hidden mutations)
What mutations males can be split for
What mutations need 2 copies to show
What mutations only males need to show or be split for to show in chicks

i will be very grateful if anybody could list them for me as then i will be able to save it on a notepad and be able to quickly see them

Not looking for a full on paragraph of the "in's and out's" just a nice....simple.....list haha

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Hi all

I know budgie mutations can be very interesting and confusing

I was wondering if anybody would be able to give me the following information:
What female's can be split for (hidden mutations)
What mutations males can be split for
What mutations need 2 copies to show
What mutations only males need to show or be split for to show in chicks

i will be very grateful if anybody could list them for me as then i will be able to save it on a notepad and be able to quickly see them

Not looking for a full on paragraph of the "in's and out's" just a nice....simple.....list haha

Thank you
What female's can be split for (hidden mutations) - all budgies can be split for recessive, non-sexlinked varieties. Hens can't be split for sex-linked varieties
What mutations males can be split for All recessive varieties sex-linked or not.
What mutations need 2 copies to show All recessive varieties except sex-linked ones in hens, they only need one copy.
What mutations only males need to show or be split for to show in chicksthe sex-linked ones.

Now it would be useful for me to link to a list of these....can't find it just now though! I am sure someone else can point to one?
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Agreed with Toni!

Now: Females can't be split for any sex-linked mutations, such as cinnamon, opaline, Ino (Albino or Lutino), Texas Clearbody, and I think that's it. But they can be split for non sex-linked.
Males can be split for anything, as mentioned.
All recessive mutations need two copies, that includes Recessive Pied, greywing, fallow, lacewing, dilute, and blue coloring when compared to green coloring.
And males need to show the sex-linked ones or be split--for example if you have a normal female and a visual opaline cock, all the female chicks will be visual opaline and all the males will be split for opaline and not show it. If the male is split opaline and is paired with a normal hen, half of the females will be opaline, the other half won't be, and half the cocks will be split and not show it. This goes for all sex-linked traits.
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ahhhhhhhhh, thank you that's made it much simpler

thank you sooo much. will make a note of the information on my laptop
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StarlingWings covered it well! The only points I'd add is that Greywing is slightly different in that if you only have one copy of it and one copy of Clearwing you get a variant called Full Bodied Greywing which is kind of a Greywing despite only have one copy of the gene.

Lacewing is a combination of Ino and Cinnamon, so is sex-linked like those are rather that standard recessive.

All sex-linked budgie genes are also recessive.
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don't think i have any clearwings ):
i have a male split for greywing, so if i do ever get a clearwing i should pair him up to her?

how would you go about creating a lacewing?
i have a lutino male and a cinnamon hen, would i need a lutino female instead of male? or will it not work with lutino?

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You would put the Greywing with a Clearwing if you wanted Greywings or Full Bodied Greywings.

Lacewings are tricky to produce so much easier to buy. You could produce a male that is Normal split for both Cinnamon and Ino from your pair. Then you would have about a 3% chance of getting a Lacewing from him.

Lutino and Albino are the blue or green form of Ino, so it doesn't matter which you use.
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ahhhhhh, think i will stay away from lacewings and full body greywings until i get a bit more experience behind me haha

Thank you very much for your help
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