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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 11-07-2008, 03:32 AM
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Still can't quite determine if my Baby Boy is a boy or girl. I realized the other day that he/she has the dried corn colour beak that I was under the impression means recessive pied, Squeeky, my avatar has that colour beak. But, Baby Boy also has the clear patch on the back of his/her head. It has to be a yellow face of some kind, the face yellow is a brighter deeper yellow that the body, except that now some of the new feathers are coming in more like the yellow of his/her face.





In a prior thread, Atvchick expressed the opinion he is a recessive pied male, and others think he is a she.

So is it possible to have traits of recessive pied and dominant pied?

In any case, it is a very pretty bird.

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All pieds have a clear area on the back of their heads. It is not just a characteristic of dominant pieds. If the bird does not have the other features of a dominant pied (clear flight feathers and a clear area across the front) then it is not a dominant pied.

It is possible for a bird to be both pied mutations at the same time. If a recessive pied was mated to a dominant pied the chicks would all be split for recessive pied. If one of the dominant pieds from this clutch was then mated to a recessive pied about 25% of the chicks would be both mutations at the same time
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The flight feathers seem to be coming in clear and there is a partial band of blue up at the neck and then there is blue at the bottom. I didn't know that the thumbprint applied to both pied varieties. I guess with the recessives it won't always be evident that the thumbprint is there.


There are pictures in this thread, not just the thumbnails in the first post but also further down.
https://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=28208
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It is definately dominant pied but as it has a lot less markings than most dominant pieds it could be a combination of both dominant and recessive pieds
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Thank you, Am I correct in thinking that the orange beak is a recessive pied characteristic? Aren't genetics wonderfully confusing?
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Thank you, Am I correct in thinking that the orange beak is a recessive pied characteristic? Aren't genetics wonderfully confusing?
Yes an orange beak is associated with recessive pieds but it is not a certain indication. I find genetics logical, if you know the mutations inheritance pattern. The most important part is recognizing what you have and discovering hidden genes
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