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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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I think I am getting confused trying to figure this out. Let me keep it as simple as possible. Basically I am trying to figure out the genetics of the parents of my baby who is not even 3 weeks old yet. I can only see his wings, head, and tail well. So here is the info below...

Visually the parents are:
Mother: albino
Father: blue yellow face II dominant pied

First clutch had:
albino
albino
albino yellow face II
blue opaline yellow face I (assumed to be male)

Second (current) clutch had:
blue ??? (don't know if dominant pied or opaline, but definitely not a yellow face type)
supposedly blue yellow face II dominant pied (people from my other post said he will probably take after dad, but he isn't looking like dad... thus confusion)

So from that information I assume:
Mother masks opaline
Father is recessive opaline
Father is recessive albino

I am not going to try to figure out why a yellow face I was born to a yellow face II dad. I tried to read it and tried to understand it, but I think it is too much. All in all, I understand there is always the possibility of double yellow face which makes that bird not look yellow face... but enough on that one.

What I am trying to figure out is what the heck happened to my baby genetically?



That is the current picture. Why is his marking so light? If he was normal banded they would be noticeably darker now won't they? His banding does not even look like my other budgie (not parents or related) who is opaline. His tail is all yellow unlike his dad. The green seems light like lime green. I suppose I am freaking out because I thought he would look like dad and show blue. I have had people say also that a yellow face II blue doesn't show green until later, but he is green now?!?!?

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First Opaline is a sex linked gene if the female has it it shows

in order to get Albinos both parents need to be albino OR one parent visual and one split - this would be yours, your male's split to albino


Normally their colors deepen as they get older - most of mine start out very light and get darker as they get older

Also do you Single cage breed or do you have a Aviary and colony breed?

IF you colony breed it would be more then likely the dad isn't who think it is

but if you Single cage (remove 2 birds and put them in a cage of their own to breed) then it is the dad you think it is UNLESS she mated with some one else before you bred them! they can hold the sperm in them for i believe 15 days - i've also been told 30 days

and I think the way you get Type 1 From a Type 2 Is in order to get type 2 both parents would have to be yellow face , but to get type 1 only one parent is yellow face
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Exactly what i mean. Chances are your two 'white faces' where a white face and a double factor yellow face type 1. Double factor yellow faces are white (go figure!) so that means all your chicks would have been single factor yellowface type 1 as you said (visual yellowfaces).

Then pairing two single factor yellow faces would give you 50% single factor yellow face, 25% double factor yellow face and 25% white face. Aaaah, lets not even talk about YF type 2 or goldenface *dies*

lol i have a yf type 2 also BUT her babies haven't confused me lol

I take that back the one did from the 1st clutch, Couldn't figure out how i got a yellow face sky blue pied with yellow all through the wings as well

I knew how I got a yellow face , and I knew how i got the sky blue and the pied, BUT the yellow going through the wings is what confused me - but I got that sorted out lol

and that same pair had another one several months later - but she didnt have as much yellow on the wings as the first
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The parents aren't mine. Only this one baby is. The parents are kept in a large indoor cage with another pair. Neither of those two have even tried to have a clutch nor ever had one. Only my babies pair had any interest in mating and they are bonded.
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out of curiosity do you know what mutation the other male is?

Just because they were never seen mating does not mean they never did it

so it is very likely the "father" you think is the father isn't the father at all.

but that is going to depend on the mutation of the other male
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I go to the breeders house tomorrow night so I will try to check then. I don't recall off the top of my head.
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What if both parents are White faces - normal mutations other then the splits the father has

what would cause all the babies to have Yellow Faces?
One of the white faced parents is actually a double factor type 1 yellow face. Which ever one it is will produce yellow face chicks whenever it is mated to a white faced bird UNLESS you pair it to another double factor type 1 yellow face
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The parents aren't mine. Only this one baby is. The parents are kept in a large indoor cage with another pair. Neither of those two have even tried to have a clutch nor ever had one. Only my babies pair had any interest in mating and they are bonded.
As ATV has said if there is another male in the cage you cannot know for sure which one is the father of the chicks. Budgies are notoriously unfaithful no matter how well they are bonded
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I went to Zazu's breeder today and the other male in the cage is a green with a blue ting to it. It has normal black bands and is not any type of pied.

Zazu's clutch mate seems to be a blue but is hard to tell since his feathers aren't as far along as Zazu.

The breeder is also shocked how Zazu is turning out.
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I just found a ting of blue on Zazu. See pic below:

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