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Old 07-08-2015, 02:59 PM
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Hi,

Thanks for all the help identifying Lemon over in the "sexing" forum today. I'm posting pics of two of my other budgies for help identifying their mutations. Luna is the photo on the left (female), and Astro is the photo on the right. I suspect he's a male, but he's still quite young. If anyone can tell his sex based on the photo, please let me know.

Thanks again! I'm really enjoying this site, and everyone has been so helpful.

EDIT: Does anyone know why Luna has such dark and prominent eye bars? I was under the impression that pied budgies didn't have such strong markings. Thanks!
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I think your Luna is a sky blue single factor golden face recessive pied budgie.
Your Astro really is a budgie boy (that pic is much better than the other one), he is a light green recessive pied budgie.
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Aluz is absolutely right about the mutations. To answer your other question, Luna's eye bars are normal.

Pied budgies can either have the "normal" bars or the pied gene can "erase them" in certain places, so to speak. If she were not pied, she would be obviously a "normal" budgie. Because she's still normal but now has the pied gene on top of everything, some of the markings are erased, but not around her face. They're normal strength bars which haven't been "erased" by the pied gene.

If she were opaline, spangle, or another mutation which fades the color/intensity of the bars, they wouldn't be as dark. Does that make sense? Sorry if that was confusing
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Aluz is absolutely right about the mutations. To answer your other question, Luna's eye bars are normal.

Pied budgies can either have the "normal" bars or the pied gene can "erase them" in certain places, so to speak. If she were not pied, she would be obviously a "normal" budgie. Because she's still normal but now has the pied gene on top of everything, some of the markings are erased, but not around her face. They're normal strength bars which haven't been "erased" by the pied gene.

If she were opaline, spangle, or another mutation which fades the color/intensity of the bars, they wouldn't be as dark. Does that make sense? Sorry if that was confusing
Thanks! Yes, that makes perfect sense. I was thinking pied = recessive trait and bars = dominant trait/normal markings, so how can they co-exist, but it's clearly not as simple as that That helps a lot.
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Luna looks like a harlequin pied! That's a blue series recessive pied with either goldenface or yellowface type II (single factor goldenface in her case). You can tell she is single factor goldenface because the blue body colour is mixed with a bit of yellow, giving it a slightly green-ish appearance.

Astro is a lime green recessive pied and definitely looks like a male (recessive pied males have pink ceres instead of blue).

Recessive pied doesn't affect the intensity of the bar colour, just the amount of bars they have.
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