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Old 12-06-2008, 07:11 AM
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Question How did normal x dilute produce recessive pied?

White-faced normal sky blue cock paired with dilute hen produced four chicks. Chicks 1 and 2 are are yellow-faced cobalt blue normals; Chick 3 is recessive pied; and Chick 4 is normal (probably cobalt blue, but too young to determine face color). I can understand that three chicks are normals and 2-3 are yellow faced because those are dominant factors. But how did this cock (split normal/? genes?) and hen (two recessive dilute genes?) produce a recessive pied chick (two recessive pied genes?)??? Thanks in advance.
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Provided that you are not colony breeding and can be sure of the parentage of the chicks: This is possible if both birds are split for recessive pied and one of them is a double factor type 1 yellow face (which would appear as a white faced bird). However the recessive pied looks like a type 2 yellow face which is why I question the parentage because to get type 2 yellow face it should show on one of the parents
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Thank you for responding!

Here's a better picture of Chick #3, which I'm 99% certain came from the normal blue cock and dilute hen pictured in my original post. Notice s/he has a spot of color on his/her back (and his/her belly, as well) similar to the blue body color on the three normal chicks.

I do have one other pair, however, which attempted to breed during the same time as the subject pair; they are an opaline (?) green cock and dominant pied hen, and are pictured below. The second pair's first clutch of 5 eggs were infertile. I observed them trying to mate, but since the green cock is obese (he was obese when I adopted him; I'm trying to trim him down), he fell off the DP hen and eventually he gave up trying to mate with her. (However, she's currently roosting a second clutch of 5 eggs, presumably all infertile.)

In short, although it's possible the green cock mated with the dilute hen, it's unlikely because (1) the dilute is bonded with the blue, (2) the blue color on Chick #3 is similar to blue colors on his/her clutchmates, (3) the green is too fat to mate, and (4) the green might be sterile due to obesity.
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(1) the dilute is bonded with the blue....
Budgies are notorious for cheating on their 'mates' even when bonded.
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Budgies are notorious for cheating on their 'mates' even when bonded.
Exactly. I think that is very little doubt that the green cock is the father of at least one of the chicks if not all of them
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Exactly. I think that is very little doubt that the green cock is the father of at least one of the chicks if not all of them
I really do think the sky blue normal cock is the dad. I observed him mating regularly with the dilute hen before and during egg laying, and the light green normal/opaline was too obese to mate with the hen he bonded with.

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FWIW, I think I figured out the chicks' genetics:

Dad is normal/recessive pied; since normal is dominant, he looks normal.
Mom is dilute/dilute, so of course, she looks dilute.
Chick #1 is normal/dilute; since normal is dominant, s/he looks normal.
Chick #2 is normal/dilute; since normal is dominant, s/he looks normal.
Chick #3 is recessive pied/dilute; since recessive pied is dominant to dilute, s/he looks recessive pied.
Chick #4 is normal/dilute; since normal is dominant, s/he looks normal.

What's interesting is the chicks are cobalt blue, whereas dad is sky blue. Perhaps mom's body is dilute cobalt blue.
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Don't know much about genetics but that little mystery baby is gorgeous! As of course are all of them.
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I just had to say - your babies are adorable! I would bring them home in a second!!
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