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Old 08-18-2015, 07:49 PM
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If i breed my Albino cock with my Lutino hen what can color young can I expect. Thanks John

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Hi there, all offspring will be Ino. Lutino is green with Ino and Albino is blue with Ino. If the hen is green/blue then you could get both blue and green Inos - Albino and Lutino. If she is not split for blue then you will get all green Inos - Lutinos, all will be split for blue.
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Hi John

Albino (male) X Lutino (female) = All female will be Albino + All male will be Lutino

You can identify male and female as soon as pin feathers starts to appear
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All male will be split lutino and all female will be albino(Based on xx and xy chromosome)
For detailed understanding kindly refer this link
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Hi and welcome Kumar

Basically budgies are divided into two series Green and Blue

Green is dominant and Blue is recessive

Albino is Blue series ino budgie

Lutino is Green series ino budgie

Genetically sex linked male = XX and female = XY

When pairing Albino male X Lutino female the output according to punnett square will be

XY = Xalbino Y = Albino female

XX = Xalbino Xlutino = Lutino male (because green is dominant)

Therefore Albino male X Lutino female = All female chicks will be Albino and all male chicks will be Lutino
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Nope, sorry guys. You can't predict what colour the different sexes will be with this mating. In fact you can't predict whether a budgie will be male or female based on its base colour of blue or green at all with budgies. The inheritance of blue or green is not sex-linked.

Albino and Lutino are the same variety, Ino, just the green or blue versions. So all the chicks will be Inos. Whether a budgie is green or blue is completely unrelated to the sex, so whether the males or females are Albino or Lutino is completely unrelated to also.

The blue or green genes are not on the sex chromosomes with the Ino gene, so you wouldn't include them with the X and Y when working out the results. Each chick will receive either blue or green independently from the sex chromosomes and so independently from their gender.

I hope that makes sense, it feels a bit garbled to me but that's about how well my brain is working today...

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Hi Toni

Yes we can predict color and gender in some cases and you have done that many a times

For example in case of normal/ino male X normal female for the chick’s outcome we say that ino chick will be female

Now come to this pair

Albino male = XX = X(blue ino) X(blue ino)

Lutino female = XY = X(green ino) Y(no color gene only determines gender)

According to punnet square we will have two outcomes (Please make the punnet square I am unable to copy paste it from ms words)

1. X(blue ino) Y = Albino female

2. X(blue ino) X(green ino) = Lutino male (because a budgie having genotype Xgreen Xblue its phenotype will be green)

Therefore in this paring all females will be albino and all males will be lutino and that can be detected at the time of pin feathers
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The blue or green genes are not located on the sex chromosomes so are not passed on with the Ino gene. the Punnett square for this mating will need two squares, one for the sex-linked genes and one for the recessive genes.

So:
Albino male = Xino/Xino (on the 2 sex chromosomes), and bl/bl (on 2 other chromosomes)
Lutino female = Xino/Y, and either Bl/Bl (df green) or Bl/bl (if the hen is green/blue)

When you combine these you get the potential for:

Xino/Xino Bl/bl = Lutino males
Xino/Xino bl/bl = Albino males
Xino/Y Bl/bl = Lutino females
Xino/Y bl/bl = Albino females

The genes for green or blue are not linked to any other variety genes that I know of, so they are always passed on to the chicks randomly with no way to predict male or female by whether they are green or blue series (ie lutino or albino).

For sex-linked varieties like Ino or Opaline you can sometimes predict the sex of the chick with that variety, but not what the sex will be based on body colour (green or blue series). The colour is passed on completely separately from the variety.
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