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Default New budgie; mutation and age?

Hello again!

So, my new budgie has arrived at my place, finally. I have a question both to his mutation and also if anyone can tell me how old he is. The breeder said he hatched June 15th or 14th and in his demeanor he seems like a younger budgie, but his cere isn't looking like a baby's anymore and his iris ring show a bit? His headbars appear to go almost to the cere, although they are so pale it's difficult to tell for sure, even looking at him in real life. Opinions would be appreciated.

Pictures are taken in natural light, although his cere appear more blue in them than it does IRL. IRL he also appear more green on the rump than it lets on in the pics.




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Hi there and congrats on your gorgeous new budgie boy!

He is a light green greywing budgie. To better give an age estimate, I would need a close up of his face so I could have a good look at the baby barring on the forehead area.
Due to him being a greywing, it's actually more difficult to see the baby barring, that's why it would be best to see a couple more pics of the area in order to at least see if he has started his moult or not.
Based from those pics you posted he does look older. I've had young budgies to develop almost clear white iris rings as soon as 4 months old, so I know that can happen. The same thing goes for a maturing cere.

However, two months old looks a bit of a stretch. I'd say he is at least 4 months old from those pics, if not 5.
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Hi there and congrats on your gorgeous new budgie boy!

He is a light green greywing budgie. To better give an age estimate, I would need a close up of his face so I could have a good look at the baby barring on the forehead area.
Due to him being a greywing, it's actually more difficult to see the baby barring, that's why it would be best to see a couple more pics of the area in order to at least see if he has started his moult or not.
Based from those pics you posted he does look older. I've had young budgies to develop almost clear white iris rings as soon as 4 months old, so I know that can happen. The same thing goes for a maturing cere.

However, two months old looks a bit of a stretch. I'd say he is at least 4 months old from those pics, if not 5.
Thank you for the input. I specifically asked the breeder again when I saw the birds in person because they all looked like adolescents rather than babies. I will try to get a picture of his forehead area tomorrow and let him just relax for now.
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Thank you for the input. I specifically asked the breeder again when I saw the birds in person because they all looked like adolescents rather than babies. I will try to get a picture of his forehead area tomorrow and let him just relax for now.
You're most welcome and I'll be waiting for the pics!
I'm partial to your boy's colour mutation, I have two chicks of my own with the exact same colours. Of course they're now adults.
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Hi Asity.. and welcome to TB!! I love your little guy... look at my avatar and you'll see why!! Your little guy looks similar to my PJ!! What is your budgie's name?? We love photos here and budgie stories, too.. keep us posted {so to speak}
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Aluz, any reason you don't think he's a Dilute? My first thought was Grey Green Dilute but I don't have much experience with them...
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You're most welcome and I'll be waiting for the pics!
I'm partial to your boy's colour mutation, I have two chicks of my own with the exact same colours. Of course they're now adults.
I have to admit I'm usually partial towards the blue series budgies, but this little fella was just too adorable. He was the curious one eyeing me up while his siblings cautiously sat at the back of the cage. And when I uncovered him this morning he still sat on his perch, head tucked under his wings.

Here are my attempts at forehead shots (seems like he is going through a bit of a molt right now, although if it's 2nd or 1st I'm not sure?):





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Hi Asity.. and welcome to TB!! I love your little guy... look at my avatar and you'll see why!! Your little guy looks similar to my PJ!! What is your budgie's name?? We love photos here and budgie stories, too.. keep us posted {so to speak}
Oh indeed, they do look quite similar I haven't thought of the right name for this new one yet. He just arrived to my place yesterday so I'll wait with the name giving until he shows his personality a bit more. Just for fun, have a picture of my grumpy-looking older guy, Arashi:

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Aluz, any reason you don't think he's a Dilute? My first thought was Grey Green Dilute but I don't have much experience with them...
To my understanding, the cheek patches on dilutes are much lighter in colour when compared to a greywing. The same thing goes to the barring and markings on the feathers. And this budgie looks like a greywing to me.

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I have to admit I'm usually partial towards the blue series budgies, but this little fella was just too adorable. He was the curious one eyeing me up while his siblings cautiously sat at the back of the cage. And when I uncovered him this morning he still sat on his perch, head tucked under his wings.

Here are my attempts at forehead shots (seems like he is going through a bit of a molt right now, although if it's 2nd or 1st I'm not sure?):





These pics are perfect and confirm my original guess on age. Your budgie has moulted most of the baby barring and already has one of his big boy throat spots on each side of the face. The cere has the deep purplish colour young budgie boys have when they are close to getting the mature colour on the cere. And this is noticed when they reach 5 months of age.
And that is my estimated guess on your boy, taking in account all aspects, 5 months old.
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