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Default Genetics experts needed. What will my future budgies look like?

Hello,

I have a Cobalt female hen and a sky blue/white male. I'm wondering what their babies will look like.

I already have two babies from them. One is sky blue, the other is skyblue/white. I'm wondering why I haven't gotten any cobalt from them as I would expect it to be more dominant than skyblue.

Attached is my slideshow of them.

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From what you're describing, your two blue series birds are cobalt and sky blue. With two different blue series, nothing is more dominant to another, meaning you can get cobalt and skys from that paring, not necessarily because any one is dominant to the other.

The link isn't working, but I copied and pasted it and saw the slideshow. You have gorgeous birds! I'm assuming the father is the cock in the last picture? If so, he looks like he's either dominant pied or double dominant pied (it's hard to tell) although he also could be combination pied. Could you post another picture of the father?
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From what you're describing, your two blue series birds are cobalt and sky blue. With two different blue series, nothing is more dominant to another, meaning you can get cobalt and skys from that paring, not necessarily because any one is dominant to the other.

The link isn't working, but I copied and pasted it and saw the slideshow. You have gorgeous birds! I'm assuming the father is the cock in the last picture? If so, he looks like he's either dominant pied or double dominant pied (it's hard to tell) although he also could be combination pied. Could you post another picture of the father?
Hi StarlingWing,

Thanks a lot for the reply. I'm completely new to budgie genetics and so have no idea what you mean by double dominant pied, or combination pied.

How come my male is not clearflight or recessive pied?

I'll try to post more pictures of my male soon.

Thanks again for your response.

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Your male is not clearflight pied because clearflight only affects the lower wing and flight feathers, making them clear. I originally thought he could be a recessive pied, but on closer inspection, his cere is the mature blue colour and he has colour on his chest instead of his lower body. Male recessive pied budgies' ceres stay pinkish purple (the immature colour) their whole life.

To answer your question about combination pied, it's a mixture of the two main pied types: recessive and dominant pied. Recessive pied is recessive, which means that it needs two copies of the gene to be visual. However, when combined with one SF dominant pied gene, sometimes the genes mix a little bit, leaving a budgie which exhibits some characteristics of both dominant and recessive pied.
Double dominant pied budgies have two dominant pied genes. Because dominant pied is dominant gene, it only needs one copy to be visible, so when there are two copies of the gene present, it's like having double the "pied" markings, making the budgie very clear of markings.
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Double factor dominant pied budgie:

Single factor dominant pied budgie:


I hope that makes sense! I can't wait to see the pictures
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