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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 10-26-2015, 03:28 AM
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Hi all!
I would like to try breed a few Crested chicks.
I heard that you should pair a crested budgie to a normal one,so I have a year old normal light green cock that is not yet paired with a hen. Will it work if I pair him to a crested hen? Also,will all of the chicks have crests (or most of them)?
What mutation would you choose for the crested hen if you could?
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To attempt to answer your question:

Crested budgies apparently are in possession of a very strange gene, which, although autosomal dominant, only acts dominant in certain cases. If you have a DF crested, it will be crested, but if you have a SF crested, although it still has the dominant gene, it only will show the gene 15-20% of the time. So you could have a bird that visually looks normal but actually is SF crested.

Apparently, the best way to breed for a crested with the best possibility is to take a known DF crested (either from two visually crested parents, or with very noticeable cresting) and breed it with a SF crested, or a normal, both of which should be the result of crested parents and both which are indistinguishable from one another as the gene appears to be lacking entirely if the SF crested does not express the visual trait, much like the normal offspring of a SF and SF crested, which could be a normal.

So for a breeding pair, you definitely could breed a normal with your hen, or a cock that is SF crested, but visually normal. (Basically any chick from a crested pair who doesn't show a visual crest, if you have one) They could have one gene, making them SF, or zero, making them genetically as well as visually normal, but unless you knew the exact genetics of the parents it would be almost impossible to tell.
Although you could breed two crested budgies together, by breeding it with a visual normal it cleans up the genetics a bit so it's not as cluttered, similar to the reason you don't breed two inos together.

However, both parings will yield crested budgies, DF x Normal and DF x SF. There's always high variability with such a weird gene so it's likely you could get one or two crested chicks if you breed the hen with a normal cock. Unfortunately, these numbers are in no way guaranteed, sorry You could end up with a lot of visual SF crested budgies, a lot of SF budgies who may or may not be crested, or a lot of budgies who might have a SF crested gene but there's no way to assure that when breeding with a normal cock.

Does that make sense?
Sorry for the confusion, let me know if I can clarify anything
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My vet told me about canaries..one has always to be normal pairing with a crested,otherwise there will be genetic/health issues for the chicks. There's no problem for a budgie pair if they are both crested,right?
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I don't believe there are issues with crest to crest matings other than the idea that the crest won't be as good. That may not be an issue if you are not showing but I think crest to normal or crest to crest-bred normal (non-crest chick from crested parents) is preferred.
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I'd love to have a crested budgie. I think they're adorable. Crested Canaries too.

Where does one get a crested budgie from? Of course the pet stores wouldn't have them. I've never even seen a breeder ad for them.
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crest+crest is ok.
crest+crest bred is best.

if you breed full crest to normal, there is a change you will not get a single chick in that round, but you will get crest breds.
There is a change to get all the types in one breeding but not high change.
Most possible change are non crested chicks,
But yo could be lucky and get 1 full circular and some half circular and some tufts and normals.


crest bred birds are birds that are crest carriers, they carry the gene.
But its not visual.

There are three types of crests.
tufts, half circular and full circular.

I really dont know how it works.
I dont know if you pair two tufts together, will you get all tufts or some full circular crest?
Anybody who knows?
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Thanks everyone for the info and help!
It really makes more sense to me now!
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After Initiator Theory by Dr J. E. Fox from Kansas University USA in June 1970 comes the PE Theory as an attempt to correct the errors in Initiator theory

Anybody interested in Crested Budgie Genetics please read this article

https://www.crestedbcaustralia.com/Cr...rge_clarke.pdf
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