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Old 10-29-2015, 06:09 AM
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Default Clearflight pied to rare to be one?

Been told she's either dark green or light green split blue (this I'll find out with breeding I guess)
Also I was originally told looked clearflight pied in a group but then told it doesn't look like one and they are super rare and it would be a dominant pied just without the banding. just wanting other thoughts on this, and is clearflight pied really rare in Australia (only ever had dominant pieds with banding before)
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Old 10-29-2015, 08:37 AM
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Judging from that first pic that appears to have been taken in natural light, I'd say she is dark green in colour. Being split to blue doesn't make her plumage lighter nor darker in colour.
And by looking at her she really seems to be a clearflight pied budgie. Personally, I don't consider them to be rare but I don't live in Australia so I don't really know how they are viewed there.
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Old 10-29-2015, 10:53 AM
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The one sure way to prove a clea rflight is through breeding to produce a dark eyed clear. In our aviary we strickly control the color we allow for dominant pied which is green series. we keep the blue series for dutch, clear flight, recessive pied. The reason is there have been some cases in the US where a very nice dominant pied was being shown by a breeder in the rare division as a clear flight pied. they look essentially the same but a dominant pied can not produce a DEC , while a clear flight, Dutch or Dutch Frosted are able to produce the DEC and can be shown as a Rare. These are such beautiful mutations that I for one do not want them to be lost . There are some breeders who become caught in the aborted need to be top dog in every area to the point of being controlled by greed at the expense of other good breeders who are really striving to do a good honest job of promoting a strong stable mutation. Breeding the DEC can have thousands of complex results that I, for one, am incapable of following. Early on when I started breeding budgies, I was given a pair of DEC's by A brilliant Genetics professor who also was a budgie breeder. I owe it to this gentleman, who has now passed on, to honor the support he showed to give such a rare gift to a novice to breed with. The ability to show and receive recognition for the newer mutations by the creation of the Rare division has made the Dec and other mutations more popular and available to the general public. The first time I showed a DEC and and a Recessive pied there was only one other bird to compete with on the bench and only a few breeders and judges in the US who could recognize these birds. Soon I had long time normal breeders, coming to me, a lowly novice, and striving Rare breeder, for information on these rare mutations. It is a very humbling place to be as a very new breeder in the Hobby.

I can only speak to my experience in the US and conversations with Gerald Binks and Deider Mervilde of Belgium, and others who do not live in Australia. You can read about these mutations on Deider Mervilde 's and Gerald Binks sites in archives as far back as October or November of 2011 with pictures of a Dutch frosted pied which differs from a clear flight in that the frosted has a cloudy chest and a clear flight is as clear as a dominant pied but does not have a band of color across the chest. I found this an interesting line of research. I hope you do as well.
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I had a dominant pied that had no markings that identified him as a pied other than his wings. He was hatched from a normal and a dominant pied so I know he was a dominant pied. He also produced dominant pied when bred to a normal.
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Hi Erin, Glad to see you.
The problem is not the dominant pied breeding true. But when a dominant pied pops up with no chest band. Then is entered as a clear flight in Rare division.
Because it tends to be a larger bird than most Rares. it can pass visually as a clear flight but when properly bread to produce DEC it cannot produce the DEC.
I this particular A champion breeder and judge received the bird and did the testing and after several test breedings it proved true to dominant pied but could not produce a DEC. It is dishonest to pass a normal dominant pied off as a Rare clear flight, when breeder knows it will beat the Rare in size in most cases and can not be proved at the time because it appears as a clear flight pied.
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Your bird could be either just going by looks. You need to find out form local breeders is Clearflight is present where your bird came from. Other than that the only way to be sure is through breeding, if that is something you are interested in. Otherwise, I would call it which ever you want...you have 50% chance of being right...
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Thanks everyone, I'll call her a Dom pied to be safe shes going with my cock who needed a hen with shoulder width. Won't be showing any birds for a while as I just got into exhibition and have a ways to go before myself and any birds will be ready for that
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I agree with Randy! Such Beauties!
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