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Default Are these color expectations for my pair correct?

Using several resources on here as well as around the internet, I tried to create some color expectations for one of my pairs, Dawn and Stormy. They won't be bred for a while but I was just curious . I'm going to do Rain and Dusty's when I get the chance as well. I don't know anything of these birds' histories, so I have no idea what they are split for, if anything, which is why I have all the "OR"s. I'm not super experienced with genetics, so I would really like it if someone could read through it and see if my calculations make sense . Also, I could not figure out how to calculate the possibilities of yellowface, so help with that would also be appreciated. Thank you!!


Dawn is a Greywing Grey Single Factor Yellowface Type II Single Factor Dominant Pied Single Factor Spangle.
Stormy is a Grey Opaline.


Color Expectations:

Will the babies be grey?
Either 100% of the babies will be double factor greys
OR 25% will be blue or green, 25% will be double factor greys, and 50% will be single factor greys
OR 50% will be double factor greys and 50% will be single factor greys

Will the babies have opaline?
Either 50% of the babies will be normal, and 50% will be single factor opalines
OR 100% of the babies will be single factor opalines

Will the babies have spangle?
50% of the babies will be normal, and 50% will be single factor spangles

Will the babies be greywing, clearwing, or fullbody greywing?
Either 100% of the babies will be normal, but split for greywing
OR
50% will be greywings and 50% will be normal but split for greywing
OR
50% will be normal but split for greywing and clearwing, 25% will be normal but split for greywing, and 25% will be clearwing but split for greywing
OR
25% will be fullbody greywings, 25% will be greywing but split for clearwing, 25% will be normal but split for clearwing and greywing, and 25% will be normal but split for greywing

Will the babies be pied?
50% of the babies will be normal and 50% will be single factor dominant pied

Will the babies have yellowface?
Not sure, but I believe either none or 50% will be single factor yellowface type 2

Dawn:



Stormy:

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Very beautiful pair

1- If both or one of them is df grey all the babies will be grey

If both are Sf grey blue baby can appear

In green series grey gene appear as greygreen

In blue series grey gene appear dominantly as grey

Your budgies are blue series and two blue cannot produce green

2- All females will be opaline and all male will be split opaline

3&4- Babies can be spangle, pied (no greywing baby)

5- If Dawn is df Yf all the babies will be Yf otherwise 50%

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I think chirper has covered it well!
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Thank you!! So none of the babies can be greywing even if Dawn is greywing? Can they be split for greywing?
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Sorry for double posting; I can't edit on my phone. I'll try to combine them later tonight.

I believe Dawn is a sf yfII, so does that mean the babies will be 50% sf yfII and 50% normal or 50% sf yfII and 50% normal but split for sf yfII, depending on Stormy's genes? Or can they not be split for yf at all?
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Split baby yes and only possibility of a greywing baby to appear is if Stormy is split greywing

50% yf 50% normal yf cannot be in split form

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YF is dominant to blue so if the gene is present in a blue bird it will be a YF. So, as chirper said you can have 50% YF and 50% non-YF if the parent is single factor.

YF is recessive to green so a green can be split to YF
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Thanks, that's why I thought there was a possibility of greywing baby if Stormy is split for greywing. Thanks for the yf explanation!
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Now for Dusty and Rain... Rain is a sky blue sf dominant pied and Dusty is a normal mauve.

So does this mean that all the babies will be cobalt blue, 50% will be sf dominant pied, and 50% will be normal?


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