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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Is it possible to selectively breed to achieve a new color mutation? Or would you just have to wait for a mutation to possibly come up in your lines?

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Rainbow budgies are composit birds. Which we on purpose put the needed components in the effort for the hoped for clutch to produce a Rainbow. Nature throws possible mutations on a regular basis and then interested breeders attempt to hold and perfect the characteristics for a mutation over time. There are fragile mutations that are always close to disappearing.
In the most common sense, nature presents a possibility and breeders work to fix agreed upon characteristics to create the best most healthy mutation.
It is easier when we find a mutation in your flock, but wild versions can also show up. It is important to select for non lethal mutations.
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A mutation is an altered gene, which would have to happen on it's own unless you're a very clever mad scientist!

A variety of budgie is where a new mutation has become established and it can reproduce itself to produce more the same. It is possible to choose a feature and select to alter it to how you want. Once it was well established you could breed more the same and give it a name. It won't have been produced by a new mutation though but by selective breeding.

As an aside, a mutation is what happens to a gene when it is somehow altered. If that mutation survives and causes an affect that is passed on it can create a new variety of budgie. I know most people prefer to all a budgie variety a budgie mutation, it is the way we commonly use the term,though not strictly correct.
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A mutation is an altered gene, which would have to happen on it's own unless you're a very clever mad scientist!

A variety of budgie is where a new mutation has become established and it can reproduce itself to produce more the same. It is possible to choose a feature and select to alter it to how you want. Once it was well established you could breed more the same and give it a name. It won't have been produced by a new mutation though but by selective breeding.

As an aside, a mutation is what happens to a gene when it is somehow altered. If that mutation survives and causes an affect that is passed on it can create a new variety of budgie. I know most people prefer to all a budgie variety a budgie mutation, it is the way we commonly use the term,though not strictly correct.
I completely agree here, particularly when breeding for certain aspects and features on the bird especially when breeding show stock, we have already discovered every mutation of the budgerigar all of which can be altered and combined to make a cool looking bird or a 'rainbow' which are just carefully selected breeding of golden faces in the clear wing, grey wing and dilute mutations. It annoys me how 'rainbows' are making significant profit because people will say they are the rarest when they are not.
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Makes sense . Is there a way to look up how certain mutations came about to increase the likelihood of getting one if you can't find a breeder bird with the mutation you want? Like for example, could I breed darker and darker greys to each other to achieve an anthracite, or a lutino/albino/dark-eyed clear to a normal many times to possibly get a Texas Clearbody by chance?
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Makes sense . Is there a way to look up how certain mutations came about to increase the likelihood of getting one if you can't find a breeder bird with the mutation you want? Like for example, could I breed darker and darker greys to each other to achieve an anthracite, or a lutino/albino/dark-eyed clear to a normal many times to possibly get a Texas Clearbody by chance?
Afraid not. You may be able to replicate a certain look such as Anthracite if you work really hard for several years, but it will never be an Anthracite. Anthracite is the name for the effect a specific gene mutation has caused, so if the bird is genetically different then it is something else. The names of the varieties do not belong to the look, they belong to specific genetic makeup of the bird.
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