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Old 12-18-2015, 01:14 PM
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I have a female cinnamon Texas clear bodied female paired with a violet spangled male, what baby mutation would i get from this pairing, i know some will be split to TCB

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With that pairing you will get normal and spangle chicks

All males will be split TCB

Please post few clear pictures of your hen I love to see her
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I agree with Chirper on all counts--especially the picture request!

Also, keep in mind that if your hen is green-series TCB, and she isn't split to blue, all babies will be green-series, as well. You could get some violet greens

Otherwise, all chicks will be blue
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cinnamon is a sex linked gene and TCB is recessive, a cinnamon hen cannot be split to blue, but her babies can be. Spangle is a dominant gene, the chick expectations for this pair would be:

60% spangle cocks split to spangle
20% spangle hens split to cinnamon
15% cinnamon cocks split to clear body
5% clear body hens split to blue
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a) Spangle is dominant

Sf spangle x normal = 50% spangle and 50% normal

Df spangle x normal = 100% sf spangle

In either case we cannot say expect 80% spangle chicks

b) Both cinnamon and TCB are sex-linked recessive mutations

No visual sex-linked chick will appear unless the male is split for that

c) Dominance of TCB over Ino

If the male is split ino visual TCB chick can appear
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Just a note to add to what Chirper has said.

It is interesting that you say that Cinnamon can't be split for blue Erin. If a bird is green it can be split for blue regardless of whether it is Cinnamon or not.

The body colour of a budgie is determined completely separately from the variety, so any variety can be any body colour and there are no varieties that can't have certain body colours.

The percentages you came up with are different from any I have seen before, were you using a genetic calculator or a system for working them out?
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cinnamon is a sex linked gene and TCB is recessive, a cinnamon hen cannot be split to blue, but her babies can be. Spangle is a dominant gene, the chick expectations for this pair would be:

60% spangle cocks split to spangle
20% spangle hens split to cinnamon
15% cinnamon cocks split to clear body
5% clear body hens split to blue
Hens can not be split to cinnamon. It is sex linked.
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i will post pictures of my pair of budgies today after work
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Love the fight over mutations, and eventually some chick will pop up out of nowhere with absolutely unmentioned mutation

In you situation all your chicks should be spangles, if daddy is not split - only cocks will be split to TCB and cinnamon.

The body color of the chicks will depends on the color of your hen.
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Half of the chicks will be sf spangle ( that is if dad is a sf spangle ) and also half of them will be violet.
all the males will be split tcb and cinnamon.

this is roughly calculated...

of course you can get no spangles (if dad is sf spangle) or just one in the nest. But normaly you will get half sf spangles and half normals.
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