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Old 01-08-2016, 02:12 PM
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I have 5 budgie babies. Cozette is their mommy and Churchill is their dad. They are adorable and healthy. Having them has really lightened up my life. I already have several people interested in them. I am co-parenting them and look forward to seeing them everyday.



A couple questions.



1. Cozette is albino and a carrier of recessive pied. Churchill is a normal grey (I believe), English and I am not sure if he is a carrier of anything. What should I expect color wise on the chicks?



2. The two oldest babies have black on their beaks but so far, baby 3 does not. I can't tell yet on the younger babies, baby 4 and 5. Is that mutation related? If so, what mutations don't have black beaks as babies. I know Cozette didn't but I don't think any of the babies have red eyes so I doubt I have any albinos.



3. Has anyone ever co-parented? Let the parents feed and handled the babies daily? How did that turn out as far as tameness of the chicks?



4. Baby 4 and 5 are a week or more younger than the first 3 and you can tell. Is there anything I should know or be concerned about this?



5. Finally, I plan to wean the babies on to pellets. Anyone have experiences to share?



Pics and videos:

Most recent babies left to right, 1-5. Baby 3 is beak grinding https://instagram.com/p/BAQ87NnyLaM/

Baby 2 a few days ago https://instagram.com/p/BAOUuorSLRt/

Babies from left to right 2,3,1 earlier this week:


All babies yesterday, left to right 1-5:

Babies 1-3 yesterday, left to right babies 3,2,1 (babies 2 and 3 are slightly bigger than 1):


Baby 1 Tuesday:


Babies 4 and 5 Tuesday:

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Congratulations on the babies! They're so sweet and look very healthy and well fed.

To answer your questions, since Cozette is albino, all male chicks will be split for albino and all females will be normal. Unless Churchill is carrying rec. pied, none of the chicks will be recessive pied. Grey is dominant so all the babies will be grey I'm guessing that unless Church is /opaline, all chicks will be grey normals. Of course, breeding with an albino is always a pile of surprises, she could be spangle, or she could be dominant pied, or a host of other things. It remains to be seen! For now I will say all the babies are grey normal

As for the black on the beak, that indicates an excess of melanin that shows and isn't related to mutation, some chicks are just born with more melanin than others.

I don't have experience with breeding so am unable to advise on co-parenting, but I'm sure some experienced breeders will be online presently to give you their experiences.

As for the two youngest, I would only keep in mind that as the older chicks wean, these little ones should still be fed by mum/dad and you will have to keep in mind that if she seems anxious to kick them out of the nest with the fledglings then you may have to leave the feeding to dad or hand feed them so they get enough nutrients. They look very well fed now, though, so I think they'll be just fine!

Do the parents eat pellets? That would make the transition easier. If not, you can mix crushed pellets with egg food and veggies to give them as they wean into seeds and soft foods. This way, they will get the taste of pellets and will accept them as a part of their daily diet along with seeds.

That's about the extent of my knowledge, but I hope it's able to help you

Best of luck and I look forward to seeing updates of the chicks!
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Congratulations on the babies! They're so sweet and look very healthy and well fed.

To answer your questions, since Cozette is albino, all male chicks will be split for albino and all females will be normal. Unless Churchill is carrying rec. pied, none of the chicks will be recessive pied. Grey is dominant so all the babies will be grey I'm guessing that unless Church is /opaline, all chicks will be grey normals. Of course, breeding with an albino is always a pile of surprises, she could be spangle, or she could be dominant pied, or a host of other things. It remains to be seen! For now I will say all the babies are grey normal

As for the black on the beak, that indicates an excess of melanin that shows and isn't related to mutation, some chicks are just born with more melanin than others.

I don't have experience with breeding so am unable to advise on co-parenting, but I'm sure some experienced breeders will be online presently to give you their experiences.

As for the two youngest, I would only keep in mind that as the older chicks wean, these little ones should still be fed by mum/dad and you will have to keep in mind that if she seems anxious to kick them out of the nest with the fledglings then you may have to leave the feeding to dad or hand feed them so they get enough nutrients. They look very well fed now, though, so I think they'll be just fine!

Do the parents eat pellets? That would make the transition easier. If not, you can mix crushed pellets with egg food and veggies to give them as they wean into seeds and soft foods. This way, they will get the taste of pellets and will accept them as a part of their daily diet along with seeds.

That's about the extent of my knowledge, but I hope it's able to help you

Best of luck and I look forward to seeing updates of the chicks!
Thank you very much. Yes, the parents do eat pellets. Prior to having the babies I used to give them a bit more seed in their daily veggies than I have been now-because I really don't want them to eat the seed over the other more nutrient rich foods that I am offering when feeding the babies. So, right now the dad is pretty much eating for himself, mom, and the 5 babies because the mom doesn't really come out to eat. An example of what they get in the mornings, today I gave them a bowl of brown rice, veggies, Harrison bird bread, a piece of a Roudybush snack i made that has fruit and veggies in it, and some hard boiled egg. They also have Roudybush pellets available. I have been giving a small amount of seed in the evening to ensure they were eating the healthier stuff all day. Does this sound okay?

Thanks about the tips on the younger babies. I check them everyday and they appear to have full crops.

I am so anxious to see the babies colors! Churchill is not opaline and I figured males would be split to albino. I did not know that grey was dominant....I was thinking maybe some blues would show up but I guess it sounds like no.
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Oh my goodness! I can't believe that Cozette is a mommy
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Wow! Congradulations, can't wait to see them feathered up, I bet it will be hard to let them go, if it were me I would not be able to part with them.
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Sounds like a wonderful diet! The fact that the parents do eat pellets should make it fairly easy to convert the chicks to pellets as they have been getting that type of food from mum and dad their whole lives

Keep in mind the chicks still should know how to crack seeds well, so they should be weaned onto pellets and seeds

Also, you never know if Church is split opaline (that's what / means) so it's not entirely out of the question! He may be split blue, as well, making blue chicks not impossible.

I'm also looking forward to seeing them feather up
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Sounds like a wonderful diet! The fact that the parents do eat pellets should make it fairly easy to convert the chicks to pellets as they have been getting that type of food from mum and dad their whole lives

Keep in mind the chicks still should know how to crack seeds well, so they should be weaned onto pellets and seeds

Also, you never know if Church is split opaline (that's what / means) so it's not entirely out of the question! He may be split blue, as well, making blue chicks not impossible.

I'm also looking forward to seeing them feather up

I am confused now, the reason I thought blue was possible is because grey is blue genetically right? Isn't grey like a double dark sky blue?
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Wow Amber...how cool is this. Looking forward to seeing pics of these chicks as they feather up, I'm sure they will be some real beaut's, congrats....
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Your darling little Cozette is a mommy! I'm anxious to see how the babies develop... so healthy looking.
PS... Does Cozette still shred everything in sight??. I haven't allowed Lemony to have another clutch and she developed chronic egg laying. Right now, she isn't shredding ANYTHING... woo hoo!!

Big congratulations on your babies ... and I'd like to hear how Cozette is managing motherhood, too!
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Oh wow - thank you so much for sharing!!
They are just the tiniest most adorable little pinkies ever what an amazing experience

I will let the experienced breeders answer your questions.

The only one slight concern I would have is the ?fleece/woollen blanket. I'm sure that was only for a couple of minutes while he was out of the nest however body temperature can change very quickly when wrapped in those blankets and particularly being so young and unable to regulate temperature it could cause quick fluctuation. I'm probably being overly paranoid here and welcome others feedback however I just thought I'd mention it as a precaution.

I can't wait to see how these babies progress and hear all about them.

Best of luck with the co-parenting
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