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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
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Question Some help using this genetic calculator

This is the genetic calculator I found and it is extremely complicated!

https://www.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Budg

Now here are my questions

1) which side is for the males and which side is for the females? (1.0 and 0.1 doesn't tell me squat)

2) What would i click on for a Violet Sky Blue Dominate Pied ?

3) and since my Albino hen is masking the Dominate Pied mutation HOW do i add that to it ? Do i put it as a visual Even know i can't see it because the Albino mutation over rides the Dominate Pied ?

4) which one of those Pieds are Dominate? it only has 3 different pieds to choose from (not including Spangle which i didn't know was considered "pied)

5) how do you know if your pied birds and Spangle birds are Single Factor or Double Factor?

6) and for my Grey birds Do i use the one that says "grey" or the one that says "(ENG) Rec. Grey"??


7) and what in the world do you click on when their mutation isn't even on there? Like my Light Green Cinnamon female, Ok i can put Cinnamon BUT what do i click on for Light Green? and which blue is considered SKY BLUE?



Like i said this thing is extremely confusing, hard to use BUT the only one i can find for Budgies

So can some one explain to me in easy to understand terms on how to use the darn thing???

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Old 01-18-2009, 02:15 PM
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That thing looks more complicated then it's worth LOL. I can tell you normally Cocks go on left, females on right.

Australian (Aus) Pieds are banded Pieds
Dutch (Dut) Pied are Dominant Pieds
Danish (Dan) Pied is the same as Recessive Pied

Sorry I couldn't be more help
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That thing looks more complicated then it's worth LOL. I can tell you normally Cocks go on left, females on right.

Australian (Aus) Pieds are banded Pieds
Dutch (Dut) Pied are Dominant Pieds
Danish (Dan) Pied is the same as Recessive Pied

Sorry I couldn't be more help

yes it is very much complicated i have a head ache now and the site gives no directions on how to use it

ahh now see i was just told some where else Austraillian pieds are Dominate pieds

now i gotta go change how i did it lol

Why cant they have one for budgies that is just as easy as the one for cockatiels (it even says Male and female LOL) the most complicated part on the cockatiel one is the X1 and X2 which I think i have that figured out now X1 - comes from dad X2 comes from mom

and then of course there is some confusion when mutations are called different names but thats an easier one to figure out lol
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I took a quick look out of interest and it looked crazily complicated! Good luck figuring it out.
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1) which side is for the males and which side is for the females? (1.0 and 0.1 doesn't tell me squat)
Males go on the left side. 1.0 is for the males, 0.1 is for females

2) What would i click on for a Violet Sky Blue Dominate Pied ?
Click the sf violet and the blue and the Aus pied

3) and since my Albino hen is masking the Dominate Pied mutation HOW do i add that to it ? Do i put it as a visual Even know i can't see it because the Albino mutation over rides the Dominate Pied ?
Click both mutations as visual for masked mutations

4) which one of those Pieds are Dominate? it only has 3 different pieds to choose from (not including Spangle which i didn't know was considered "pied)
The Aus pied is the dominant pied. The Dutch pied is the clearflight. The Danish pied is the recessive pied

5) how do you know if your pied birds and Spangle birds are Single Factor or Double Factor?
A double factor dominant pied has very few markings and a double factor spangle is either white or yellow

6) and for my Grey birds Do i use the one that says "grey" or the one that says "(ENG) Rec. Grey"??
Use the one that just says "Grey" (recessive greys are quite rare)


7) and what in the world do you click on when their mutation isn't even on there? Like my Light Green Cinnamon female, Ok i can put Cinnamon BUT what do i click on for Light Green? and which blue is considered SKY BLUE?
For light light green or sky blue just don't click any dack factor, for dark green & cobalt click sf dark, for olive & mauve click df dark
For blue and albino click blue (only the top one is blue), for green don't click anything


They could have put some clear instructions!
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1) which side is for the males and which side is for the females? (1.0 and 0.1 doesn't tell me squat)
Males go on the left side. 1.0 is for the males, 0.1 is for females

2) What would i click on for a Violet Sky Blue Dominate Pied ?
Click the sf violet and the blue and the Aus pied

3) and since my Albino hen is masking the Dominate Pied mutation HOW do i add that to it ? Do i put it as a visual Even know i can't see it because the Albino mutation over rides the Dominate Pied ?
Click both mutations as visual for masked mutations

4) which one of those Pieds are Dominate? it only has 3 different pieds to choose from (not including Spangle which i didn't know was considered "pied)
The Aus pied is the dominant pied. The Dutch pied is the clearflight. The Danish pied is the recessive pied

5) how do you know if your pied birds and Spangle birds are Single Factor or Double Factor?
A double factor dominant pied has very few markings and a double factor spangle is either white or yellow

6) and for my Grey birds Do i use the one that says "grey" or the one that says "(ENG) Rec. Grey"??
Use the one that just says "Grey" (recessive greys are quite rare)


7) and what in the world do you click on when their mutation isn't even on there? Like my Light Green Cinnamon female, Ok i can put Cinnamon BUT what do i click on for Light Green? and which blue is considered SKY BLUE?
For light light green or sky blue just don't click any dack factor, for dark green & cobalt click sf dark, for olive & mauve click df dark
For blue and albino click blue (only the top one is blue), for green don't click anything


They could have put some clear instructions!
Thank you very much

and i noticed they put both Albino and Lutino under the same "ino" What do ya do if you want to breed a Male Lutino to a Female Albino?


and one other thing that really confuses me lol

I did Shadow and Minnie since you've already told me what their babies out comes can be

I wanted to use them to make sure I understood the program (since i already knew the answers)

but they were a lot of Green at the start of each mutation which totally threw me off

and when I put Tweety (sky blue violet dom. pied) with Casper (albino Dom Pied ) it gave me all green along with the rest of the mutation - Does that mean on that pair All the babies would come out looking green like the normal "wild" type budgie??

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and i noticed they put both Albino and Lutino under the same "ino" What do ya do if you want to breed a Male Lutino to a Female Albino?
Click on "blue" for the albino because it's blue series. Click ino for both the male and the female

and one other thing that really confuses me lol

I did Shadow and Minnie since you've already told me what their babies out comes can be

I wanted to use them to make sure I understood the program (since i already knew the answers)

but they were a lot of Green at the start of each mutation which totally threw me off
If you don't click on the "Blue" the program presumes it is green

and when I put Tweety (sky blue violet dom. pied) with Casper (albino Dom Pied ) it gave me all green along with the rest of the mutation - Does that mean on that pair All the babies would come out looking green like the normal "wild" type budgie??

I entered for Casper in the visual column: Blue, Ino & sf (Aus) pied.
For Tweety I entered in the visual column: sf violet, blue & (Aus) pied

The result was as follows after translating it to the way we usually see it:

Males:
12.5% (Sky) Blue split ino
25% (Sky) Blue Dom Pied split ino
12.5% DF Dom Pied split ino
12.5% Violet split ino
25% violet sf Dom pied split ino
12.5% sf Violet df Dom pied split ino

Females;
12.5% Albino
25% albino masking sf Dom pied
12.5% albino masking df Dom pied
12.5% albino masking sf violet
25% albino masking sf violet & sf Dom pied
12.5% albino masking sf violet & df Dom pied


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and i noticed they put both Albino and Lutino under the same "ino" What do ya do if you want to breed a Male Lutino to a Female Albino?
Click on "blue" for the albino because it's blue series. Click ino for both the male and the female

and one other thing that really confuses me lol

I did Shadow and Minnie since you've already told me what their babies out comes can be

I wanted to use them to make sure I understood the program (since i already knew the answers)

but they were a lot of Green at the start of each mutation which totally threw me off
If you don't click on the "Blue" the program presumes it is green

and when I put Tweety (sky blue violet dom. pied) with Casper (albino Dom Pied ) it gave me all green along with the rest of the mutation - Does that mean on that pair All the babies would come out looking green like the normal "wild" type budgie??

I entered for Casper in the visual column: Blue, Ino & sf (Aus) pied.
For Tweety I entered in the visual column: sf violet, blue & (Aus) pied

The result was as follows after translating it to the way we usually see it:

Males:
12.5% (Sky) Blue split ino
25% (Sky) Blue Dom Pied split ino
12.5% DF Dom Pied split ino
12.5% Violet split ino
25% violet sf Dom pied split ino
12.5% sf Violet df Dom pied split ino

Females;
12.5% Albino
25% albino masking sf Dom pied
12.5% albino masking df Dom pied
12.5% albino masking sf violet
25% albino masking sf violet & sf Dom pied
12.5% albino masking sf violet & df Dom pied


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oh i didn't know i had to click the blue lol that explains why it wasn't working right for me lol

Thanks again for your help
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