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Question So Shadow is a Double Factor Grey

So while i was in search of a genetic calculator - hoping to find one that was easier to understand then the one I posted about before

I came across a page that is extremely outdated But it helped me a bit

the title said Quiz and this is what it said
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You pair a Grey Cock to a Light Green Hen.

Out come....

1 x albino, 1 x lutino, 1 x blue bird & 1 x yellowface blue bird...

How can this be??

See how you go giving me all the possible genetic make up of the parents and the chicks.
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The hen is split to blue.
The light green hen is a yellow face which is masked.
The cock is split to ino.
The cock is a single factor grey as there is no grey chicks.

The Albino and Lutino are both hens.
now I paired my Grey Spangle to an Albino so that was the difference

But I got 1st time around

Grey Spangle, Sky Blue Opaline Dominate Pied

2nd time around

4 Albinos , and a Grey spangle

Then I paired that same Grey Spangle to a Yellow Face Violet

So far I've gotten Normal Grey and Albino (maybe cremino)


So since I've gotten Grey Each time he's been bred that makes him a Double Factor Grey !?

Some one fill me in if i'm wrong but that is my understanding


oh and I found it here Where EVERYTHING seems to be out dated no one posts anything new

https://www.budgerigars.co.uk/forum/a....php/f-17.html

or at least every one I've clicked on has been old


Oh and it says the Light Green hen is Masking yellow face - I was under the impression ALL green birds had a yellow face?? My Belle is Light Green Grey Wing she has a yellow face All her babies that match her body color also had a yellow face


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I have no idea about DF Grey, but it is a very active forum. Many people here are also members there
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How would you have gotton sky blue in there if he was double factor gray? Does it work the same as dark factor?
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Grey is not the same as dark factor. I do know that Grey is a color adding gene. So it just covers up the original color so to speak. You still are able to get the 3 different dark factors with a Grey... no dark factor, one dark factor and two dark factors. It would just produce different color Greys.


I probably just confused you more. Sorry. Maybe Nev will be along shortly to make it less confusing
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Grey is not the same as dark factor. I do know that Grey is a color adding gene. So it just covers up the original color so to speak. You still are able to get the 3 different dark factors with a Grey... no dark factor, one dark factor and two dark factors. It would just produce different color Greys.


I probably just confused you more. Sorry. Maybe Nev will be along shortly to make it less confusing
Oh, that makes sense. It either shows or it is masked
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How would you have gotton sky blue in there if he was double factor gray? Does it work the same as dark factor?
I got the Sky blue from the Albino they're blue based(may not be the right words though - but if you take a pic or even to the naked eye in certain lights you can see a blue shimmer on Albinos(and a green shimmer on Lutinos), and she was masking the Dominate Pied
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The grey in the question was a single factor grey because there were blue chicks in the clutch not because there were no greys. A double factor grey would produce 100% grey chicks except that the ino's would mask the grey. A single factor grey will produce about 50% grey but that doesn't mean you'd get 50% in every clutch.

Your grey spangle must be single factor grey becauce one of his chicks was sky blue. If he produced enough chicks the percentages would average out

The yellow face gene that shows on a blue bird can be masked by a green bird. It is not the same as the yellow face that all green birds have

Grey factor and dark factor are entirely different
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I got the Sky blue from the Albino they're blue based(may not be the right words though - but if you take a pic or even to the naked eye in certain lights you can see a blue shimmer on Albinos(and a green shimmer on Lutinos), and she was masking the Dominate Pied
I never knew that. What a cool fact
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The grey in the question was a single factor grey because there were blue chicks in the clutch not because there were no greys. A double factor grey would produce 100% grey chicks except that the ino's would mask the grey. A single factor grey will produce about 50% grey but that doesn't mean you'd get 50% in every clutch.

Your grey spangle must be single factor grey becauce one of his chicks was sky blue. If he produced enough chicks the percentages would average out

The yellow face gene that shows on a blue bird can be masked by a green bird. It is not the same as the yellow face that all green birds have

Grey factor and dark factor are entirely different
Oh ok one of these days i'll get this stuff down pat

I thought the sky blue came from the albino

see how confused i have been
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