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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
Thread Description:Yes I am still messing around with the Genetic calculator lol

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So here I am at a Quarter til 2 in the morning, With a head ache and bored outta my skull , I decided to go back to the Genetic calculator and play around with it some more - So I can understand it better ( I could read on it all day and won't understand it I'm the sort of person who has to see pictures of how something is done or just do it to understand it)

So I'm using Pairs that have already been bred and I know what their babies were To help better under stand OR so that was my plan!

I used Mickey and Minnie Both Yellow Face Violets

they only had one baby before Mickey died (almost a year ago) and That is Gizmo - what is Gizmo A WHITE FACE Violet (double factor i'm assuming because his color matches the Crayola Crayon Purple to a T it is actually PURPLE and not "violet")

well ever since Gizmo was born ( a year ago Jan 14th) Its been bugging me that both his parents were Yellow face but he wasn't

I assumed when you put 2 yellow faces together That is what the babies will have as well

And according to the genetic calculator They should of had 100% yellow face babies * See below*

So why is it then that Gizmo is a white face?

is it possiable he is not just a double factor violet BUT also a Double Factor Yellow Face ( I know those look like normal white faces)


% from all 1.0
25.0% 1.0 bl.yellowface
25.0% 1.0 bl.yellowface violet(df)
50.0% 1.0 bl.yellowface violet(sf)
% from all 0.1
25.0% 0.1 bl.yellowface
25.0% 0.1 bl.yellowface violet(df)
50.0% 0.1 bl.yellowface violet(sf)


and I have Gizmo set up to breed with Jessie who is a yellow face Violet Opaline (they're in a breeding cage but I have not yet given them a nest box that will be in a few weeks) but i wanted to see exactly what their babies out come should be - i know it should be all violets BUT since I only got to breed Mickey successfully one time (2nd clutch she had started then he died and she finished like 2 or 3 days after he died were all infertile) So I do not know if Mickey was split to anything to pass on to Gizmo

So to add to the confusion my birds love to give me Why Do I have a White Face Violet when i should have a yellow face violet?



and I am truly sorry for all the Questions I've had lately BUT I really am trying to learn this entire genetic thing (now this is what my daughter wants to do for her science fair project coming up in a few months & She is in a higher grade then her brother So its more suited for her than it is for him) and So i want to understand it for my self because well I want to know how it works ( i was never good in science so this isn't helping my issues lol) PLUS i'll need to help her understand (ALSO NOT GOOD IN SCIENCE LOL) so she can do a awesome science project and I can get smart on Budgie Genetics and work my way to Love bird and Cockatiels (which I understand Cockatiel genetics A LOT BETTER then budgies lol)


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Old 01-19-2009, 02:50 AM
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I can't make the calculator get the right answer for yellow face mutations because it doesn't give an option for single or double factor in the yellow face section. The result shouldn't be 100% yellow face when mating single factor yellow faces together

It seems to work for all the other mutations
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that explains why it it told me that lol

How do you know if a Violet is a double factor Yellow Face?

I know on Sky blue it changes their color

But on Minnie there are times if she's sitting just the right way or i catch her in mid fluff I can see yellow in her chest feathers but I don't see it all the time , just if i catch it at the right angle, light etc.

And I noticed that is has the option for Yellow face to be Split I didn't think a bird could be split to yellow face.. Either it was or it wasn't ?

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If Violet was a double factor yellow face all her chicks would be yellow face. You're right, they can't be split for yellow face. The calculator is set up wrong
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oh ok , thank you

I was reading so much earlier on genetics it gave me a migraine

I wish i could find a better calculator But every single time i think i find a new one when the page loads it is that one just the person posting it calls it something else or just uses the words "genetic calculator"
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I know the feeling. Ive only found one genetics calculator I can figure out, but its for lovebirds not budgies. If they could make one like this for budgies we'd all be a lot less genetically illiterate

https://www.africanlovebirdsociety.co...calculator.htm
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I know the feeling. Ive only found one genetics calculator I can figure out, but its for lovebirds not budgies. If they could make one like this for budgies we'd all be a lot less genetically illiterate

https://www.africanlovebirdsociety.co...calculator.htm
The one i use has lovebirds along with other species

go here https://www.gencalc.com/ then down on he right hand side click love birds, then Peach face or which ever one your wanting and it opens up to that genetic calculator for the love birds

I still don't have this down pat, and Don't know what all the Abbreviation are about


Sorry I didn't answer you sooner - i just saw your reply.


I just used this one on Roxy and Pugsley - I have no clue in the world what blue Roxy is on this one, she's a double dark factor Dutch blue

the one u showed I can use and understand LOL plus it has Dutch blue

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The one i use has lovebirds along with other species

go here https://www.gencalc.com/ then down on he right hand side click love birds, then Peach face or which ever one your wanting and it opens up to that genetic calculator for the love birds

I still don't have this down pat, and Don't know what all the Abbreviation are about


Sorry I didn't answer you sooner - i just saw your reply.


I just used this one on Roxy and Pugsley - I have no clue in the world what blue Roxy is on this one, she's a double dark factor Dutch blue

the one u showed I can use and understand LOL plus it has Dutch blue

yeah, that one that you're using is confusing and Double Dark Factor Dutch Blue is considered Slate

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hmm.... now Im confused too... Ithought birds could be splitfor yellowface... so if not.. how do you get yellowfaces... you need two yellowfaces to get a yellowface... or a split yellowface... or so I thought
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hmm.... now Im confused too... Ithought birds could be splitfor yellowface... so if not.. how do you get yellowfaces... you need two yellowfaces to get a yellowface... or a split yellowface... or so I thought

no they can't be split one parent has to be yellow face

I thought they could be too specially when I put Sky and Violet together and every single one came out yellow face and both sky and violet have white heads/faces

then i found out about the double factor type 1 - that is actually a yellow face but looks like a white face But i still don't know which one is the double factor type 1 , because silly me Bred sky to belle who is light green So again all babies come out with "yellow heads" well actually they all came out looking like Belle only some cinnamon (from sky) and some grey wing from belle lol
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