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Old 03-20-2016, 06:13 AM
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Hi all,
Got these 2 poor little mites from auction the other night
I know they are both male and both blue series
also i am aware that they don't look 100% health wise, poor souls are severely underweight and the blue one has something wrong internally (maybe a parasite) so they are both under treatment and have both been treated for mites, worms, lice etc. and they are on limited food so that they dont eat too much, i couldn't just leave them at the auction They are in quarantine at the moment and i know the cage needs cleaning, first thing i had to hand when i got home, they are staying in the small cage for a few days so that i can monitor their eating and drinking, then i will move them into a bigger cage once i know they are eating and drinking on their own, the smaller cage also makes it easier and less stressful to catch them up if needed and ensures that they dont exercise too much to help them put on weight. i know some people won't agree with what i am doing but it is the easiest and safest way.

I am 70% sure on their mutations
Bird 1:
Blue Dom pied (i think) Greywing or clearwing

Bird 2:
Sky Recessive (or combi) pied, possible frosted pied or something else
*please note* this bird has a grizzled effect on it's tail and wings, has only a couple of patches of blue on it's belly and under it's legs

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Old 03-20-2016, 06:34 AM
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I'm glad you managed to rescue these budgies and are in the process of nursing them back to full health.

The first budgie I'd say is a sky blue single factor violet full body colour greywing opaline dominant pied.

The second is likely a recessive pied, sky blue in colour and possibly opaline.
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my friend got a breeding pair of violets too, only when he got home did he find out they were underweight like mine

What could be causing the grizzled effect on Bird 2's wings and tail? never seen that in opaline or any of my pieds
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The wing markings on recessive pieds can have that grizzled effect, it's like they are not well defined and appear somewhat more faded.
I have a recessive pied opaline and a recessive pied who's not opaline and both their main tail feathers have the two-toned colour and the colour on those tail feathers also changes with each moult. I will try to find photos for comparison.

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Here is my first recessive pied opaline chick, Peppy. You can see the two-toned tail feathers.




Another one, you can see the change in colour after moulting out and growing in new tail feathers.


I know the lighting is off, but this is the only decent tail feather photo I have of my other recessive pied. She also has the two-toned colour on the big tail feathers.
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I agree with aluz concerning mutations, although the first budgie appears to be just a poorly marked clearwing, not a fullbody greywing. Even fullbody greywings have faded cheek patches and this one seems to have the normal, undiluted cheek patches which points to clearwing

They are both gorgeous and congratulations on your new additions! I'm glad you were able to rescue them and I'm sure they'll both feel better soon
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Thank you
I got in contact with the person who runs the auctions and i have been given the option to take them back if they are still ill next week and he will give me a refund.
The auction rules state that all birds must look healthy.....and as these birds looked healthy they went through the auction however he will try and find out where they came from and confront the person who put them in the auction as it can lower the auctions reputation (it's a good auction too)

I quite like the grizzled effect.....but they are still beautiful birds......shame now i will have to have a clearance of males in my aviary as i have nearly double males to females
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From my understanding, there isn't a variation in colour on the cheek patches of a full body colour greywing. The greywings have definite lighter cheek patches.
And in this budgie's case, the opaline trait may have slightly lighten the cheek patches.

I'm wishing all the best for these budgies and I hope their condition is not serious and you will be able to keep them.
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Both are very pretty!!! You did a wonderful thing rescuing them
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From my understanding, there isn't a variation in colour on the cheek patches of a full body colour greywing. The greywings have definite lighter cheek patches.
And in this budgie's case, the opaline trait may have slightly lighten the cheek patches.

I'm wishing all the best for these budgies and I hope their condition is not serious and you will be able to keep them.
From what I know, clearwings and fullbody greywings have slightly different cheek patches although they can look somewhat the same. Perhaps on my screen, it looks a bit different. I do think it's certainly likely that he could be a fullbody greywing now that I consider the opaline trait (I hadn't noticed that before)
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