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Old 03-21-2016, 05:18 PM
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Okay, so I know my hen is a recessive pied. I know my cock is a clearwing, and I had originally thought he was a spangle, but now I'm not so sure. His wing markings are really light, but what you can see looks like a spangle, and he has the silver mixed into his cheek patches, like a spangle. I'm still pretty sure he is a spangle, but it looks like none of his chicks are, which is pretty disappointing.

So, I am trying to figure out the mutations of their chicks. The youngest, I'm pretty sure, is mauve pied of some sort. If momma is a recessive pied, and daddy doesn't appear to be pied, what kind of pied would that make the baby?



The second chick is a mauve normal. That one is easy.



The oldest chick is either a dark-eyed clear, or a double factor spangle. I assume it could really go either way, although I'm leaning more towards a dark-eyed clear. Mom could be "hiding" the fact that she is spangle only because she has no markings where you would see the spangle present itself. I just don't find that very likely when neither of the other chicks are spangle. Or dad could be hiding something. Or maybe I'm missing something all together. Anyone help?


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Old 03-21-2016, 07:07 PM
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Your chicks are so cute, they sure have grown a lot!

From that first photo you posted of your pair on your breeding journal, your hen hardly has any markings on her and while she does have the characteristic eyes of a recessive pied budgie, it's very possible that she is a double factor dominant pied who is split for recessive pied.
She can very well be a combination pied budgie.

Your pied chick seems to have markings that would make him/her a single factor dominant pied.

To have a dark-eyed clear chick, one of the parents must be a clearflight pied (and the other a recessive pied).
You mentioned the father is a clearwing. From that photo of your pair on the nest, I'm unable to see if the male has a pied patch on the back of the head, nor can I see the crop and belly area, the same thing goes for your female.
From the little I can see, it seems your female is sky blue in colour and your male appears to be cobalt and if that is the case, then your youngest chick is not mauve in colour. It will either be cobalt or sky blue.
Even if the father were to be mauve, since the mother is sky blue, the chicks would necessarily all be the intermediate colour, which is cobalt blue.
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Wow they are so beautiful especially the little white baby budgie.I'm anxious to find out myself what they are.thanks so much for the beautiful photos.congratulations on your new fledglings.blessings.
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Aluz, I really went to look at Storm after you talked about him being pied. He does have a thumprint on the back of his head, although it is really hard to see. I don't really see any other pied markings on him, however, his chest is solid color. It would be really hard to know if he was a clearflight pied considering he is a clearwing, but it could be very possible, I would think.

And thank you Pegg and Shane!
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Mutation i have no idea about only wondering if the darker one is a pearl... little guy is on the run, soooo cute

Sorry i meant spangle hard too tell, keep us posted...

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Old 03-27-2016, 07:36 PM
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I think we need more photos soon!
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