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Hi Everyone,

I'm completely new to this but my budgies have successfully reared 3 babies and I'm not sure what they are - The parents are a Opaline yellow face type 2 F x cobalt spangle male (he's also in the second image)

If anyone can give me their thoughts id appreciate it.

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Old 05-22-2016, 07:22 AM
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Hi there and welcome to the forums!

For you to have visual opaline chicks, the father must be split for opaline too.
The chick on the left is sky blue spangle opaline, possibly yellow face type II.
The one I think is a cobalt violet spangle budgie.
The one in the right is a cobalt violet single factor golden face opaline budgie.
I'm saying golden face because of the very rich intensity of the yellow colour.
Did this last chick came from an egg which was fostered?
The other reason I can think of is maybe the female has mated with another male. I don't see how she is a yellow face type two and the father is not yellow face/golden face, and they had a golden face chick.

By the way, I'm moving your thread to the Mutations and Genetics section.
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Thanks for your reply

I had the pair for about three months before I gave them the breeding box and even then they took a while to "bond"so im not sure that another male could be possible.

The baby is mainly blue but has a stripe of green on the upper part of its chest - and its back seems quite blue and its face is quite yellow and has a variety of colours on individual feathers in its tail. Its quite different to the others.

Here are mum and dad



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The yellow on the mother's face is also very intense in colour, and from looking at her back, it seems the yellow hasn't spread onto her blue feathers.
If that is the case and she is mostly blue on her chest/tummy areas, then maybe she is a double factor yellow face type II.

Upon taking a closer look, the cobalt violet spangle chick also has a yellow face.
What's most confusing here is the golden face chick.
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Hi there and to the forums!

What a beautiful little family you have there

It is very possible for there to be a goldenface chick and a yellowface II chick in one clutch, actually

The father would have to actually be double factor yellowface II, meaning that many of the chicks would have single factor yellowface II. Double factor yellowface II appears as white in the face rather than yellow. The chicks that show yellow face II are getting the sf (visual yellow) version from Dad, whereas the goldenface chicks are getting goldenface from mum.

Also, I believe the father is a sky blue double factor violet spangle budgie, which is where the violet genes in the babies would come from

They are all beautiful, either way, and exceptionally well marked. I look forward to seeing lots more of them in the future!

Meanwhile, be sure to browse the forums and ensure you're up to date on everything budgie!

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That certainly makes sense, StarlingWings.

I was under the impression it was the double factor yellow face type I budgies the ones who would have white feathers on the face/head.

The double factor yellow face type II, I thought was visible after the budgie's first moult and that was when the yellow colour would emerge for the first time.

If the mother is in fact a golden face and since the yellow colour doesn't seem to be spreading onto the blue feathers, this would make her a double factor golden face, and from my understanding, this would have made all the chicks single factor golden face.
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Such beautiful birds !

I'm not one of the mutations experts here, but I can tell you that every one of the babies and parents are exceptionally pretty .
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Ana,

I actually misspoke (mistyped?) and I apologise. You're right that it's yellowface I that in its DF form would be white face.

However, I still think it's possible to have the chick look rather like yellowface II, because in yellowface I, there is still some diffusion into the body feathers which can occur.

You're right about the goldenface thing, however. She does appear to be double factor goldenface and in that case, nornally all chicks are sf goldenface.
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Ana,

I actually misspoke (mistyped?) and I apologise. You're right that it's yellowface I that in its DF form would be white face.

However, I still think it's possible to have the chick look rather like yellowface II, because in yellowface I, there is still some diffusion into the body feathers which can occur.

You're right about the goldenface thing, however. She does appear to be double factor goldenface and in that case, nornally all chicks are sf goldenface.
Yes, if she were double factor golden face, all chicks would necessarily be single factor golden face, I think this works the same way when breeding a double factor spangle with a normal budgie.

The doubts on the yellow face chicks would be removed on their first moult.
I was inclined at them being yellow face type II because there is yellow on the wing area. I remember my Leonel also had a very similar faint yellow colour on him, which after the first moult intensified a whole lot and it became clear then that he was YF II.
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The yellwo face mutations are pretty tricky, especially when combined. To me the mother does look like a Golden Face and perhaps she is sf Golden Face and sf one of the yellow Faces and that has restricted her yellow? It is not really established how they interact so anything is possible.

Lovely chicks! A nice range of varieties.
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