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Hello again While I'm still waiting for Izzy to start to show signs of laying, I have been going, once again, to the Budgie Mutation guide. I'm obviously really excited to see what their chicks are going to look like so I've been looking, for like the 100th time, at all of the different mutations and possible outcomes for their chicks. I keep coming across one in particular that I think Hermes might be, though. I included some screenshots from what a clearflight pied should look like with pictures of Hermes and also the links to the actual website. Please note that these pictures range from baby Herm to today's almost 2 year old Herm. Izzy is in most of the pictures- a consequence of my two birds attached at the hip- er, wing Oh, and should any of you have guesses what their chicks could look like, Hermes is a fullbody greywing single factor golden face cobalt and Izzy is a cinnamon opaline grey recessive pied. Thank you once again for your time and help.

The links to the website I used and got screenshots from:
Clearflight Pied Budgies - Cute Little Birdies Aviary
Help To Identify Clearflight Pied Budgies - Cute Little Birdies Aviary



Here's Hermes' pied spot on the back of his head...


His flight feathers...




Hermes has some yellow tiny pied patches over his body and he has large white/yellow patches on his "armpits"- underneath his wings-the tips of which are visible in some of the pictures below.

His head cock here was due to the mysterious camera in his cage-you'd think he'd be used to it by now from all the pictures I've taken



His tail feathers keep changing with each molt, but here are a few pictures



Let's just take a quick moment to appreciate what an adorable baby Hermes was Okay, moment over



I know I included a bunch of pictures, but I know a lot of pictures are necessary to identify mutations...if I somehow forgot some helpful pictures, I do have 2 other threads that I have pics on from when I first tried to identify my budgie's colors. Thanks again!

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I can't be much help, but wanted to say how pretty they are
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He is certainly a pied and could well be a Clearflight. The markings l see fit well with a Clearflight but you often get Dominant Pieds that are poorly marked that look similar. I Would go with Clearflight Pied until proven otherwise.
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He is very handsome!
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He is certainly a pied and could well be a Clearflight. The markings l see fit well with a Clearflight but you often get Dominant Pieds that are poorly marked that look similar. I Would go with Clearflight Pied until proven otherwise.
Thank you for your opinion- it's very much appreciated When you say poorly marked Dominant Pieds, are you talking single factor or double factor?

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Thank you for your opinion- it's very much appreciated When you say poorly marked Dominant Pieds, are you talking single factor or double factor?
Single factor, they should have large pied patches lower on the abdomen but you can find them with as little as a single pied flight feather sometimes. Clearflight Pieds can sometimes have larger areas of pieding also which makes them look like Dominant Pieds. So, you really have to go with what they look like unless you can prove it one way or another during breeding.
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This bird is a dutch pied because of the white patches trough the chest.
Dominant pied must have a band of color on the chest.
Aclearflight has a completely clear color on chest. The tail and wing feathers may have different colors after any molt. If the frosting appears on the wing shoulders then it becomes a frosted dutch pied.
To prove clear flight vs dominant pied the clearflight must produce a DEC or it is a dominant pied. Frosting may take a long time to show on a dutch pied.
Lovely bird. The yellow face effects the body color. Jo Ann
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This bird is a dutch pied because of the white patches trough the chest.
Dominant pied must have a band of color on the chest.
Aclearflight has a completely clear color on chest. The tail and wing feathers may have different colors after any molt. If the frosting appears on the wing shoulders then it becomes a frosted dutch pied.
To prove clear flight vs dominant pied the clearflight must produce a DEC or it is a dominant pied. Frosting may take a long time to show on a dutch pied.
Lovely bird. The yellow face effects the body color. Jo Ann
Thank you So to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying: Hermes is a Dutch pied and not a dominant pied, clearflight, or a frosted (at least not as seen now) because in order to be a clearflight he must have solid body color on his chest, whereas a dutch pied can have patches of color? And we'll know more about his mutation if or when he has chicks to see what colors he produces. I've had a hard time finding a whole lot of information on the Dutch pied but the articles I have found were a little confusing. Would you mind highlighting the main characteristics of a Dutch pied? Thank you so much for your help and patience!
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Single factor, they should have large pied patches lower on the abdomen but you can find them with as little as a single pied flight feather sometimes. Clearflight Pieds can sometimes have larger areas of pieding also which makes them look like Dominant Pieds. So, you really have to go with what they look like unless you can prove it one way or another during breeding.
Haha I remember when I first got into budgies several years ago I knew about Dominant pieds (the classic single factor with the complete band across the abdomen- that was actually what my first budgie, Mishka, was) and Recessive pieds. Now there's all of these specifics and other mutations on top of it...I love it! And I'm hoping Hermes will be having chicks soon so that should help with figuring out what exactly he is. Either way, I love him! And again, I really appreciate your help and time!
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Hi again Katie!
And I think that name is just as cute as can be. Always loved it.

I'm trying to get the color genetics into my hard head. I love reading about it, but like you said there are sooo many factors lol!!
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