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This is Misty on his/her third day home from the pet store. I assume Misty is about 4 months old based on size, black eyes, and very faint barring of feather sheaths on forehead, but a better estimate is welcome. Ditto the gender. The cere is a pure light purple color. I see no blue or white tracings anywhere. So any help here is welcome as well.

Now, as for Misty's mutations: I assume he/she is a double factor pied, but I'm not sure if he/she is dominant or recessive, or if the wing markings make him/her a spangle. Also not sure if Misty is considered blue or blue/gray or some other designation.

Front left view:

The cheek patch, what little of it there is, is a grey/black. No throat spots. Only discernible chest patch is near wing and looks powder blue with grey factor. Collar band is more grey.

Front right view:

No cheek patch or throat spots at all. Only discernible chest patch, again, is near wing and looks powder blue with grey factor. Collar band is more grey.

Right side:

Note the few wing markings are various shades of grey. Left side has only one very faint grey marking (see back photo).

Back:

Mostly grey patch on back with slight blue tint. Underside of rump feathers are light grey with one black plume.

Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks!

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Old 06-11-2016, 08:27 PM
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Hi there, what a cutie! From your description of the cere you likely have a boy there. Also form your description I would say the body colour is Grey, if it were Mauve (which can be quite blue/grey) the cheek patch should show some violet.

He could be a double factor Dominant Pied, or he could be a combination of Dominant Pied and recessive Pied. If he is a combination pied then he may keep his black eyes without an iris ring, and maybe even have a patchy cere.

So, i think he is a Grey df Dominant Pied or combination Pied, the markings on his wings look the normal colour and pattern so I don't see any other obvious varieties in there.

A note on terminology, the term double factor is only used for dominant varieties. With a recessive variety, they only show visually if they are double factor, if they are single factor the variety is not visible. So, a Recessive Pied would not be said to be double factor it would just be called a Recessive Pied.
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Thanks for your input. I hope you're right that Misty is male, since we want a talker. So I guess there's no spangle in the wing markings. Thanks for the note on terminology. I'm a newbie on that stuff ;-)

Incidentally, for three days he's made amazing progress. On day one he was frozen like a little statue, back ramrod straight. On day two, he began moving his head, and would get on a finger. Today he began eating millet (still hasn't touched his regular seed) and drinking water. Best of all, he likes coming out, sits on a finger or shoulder, and loves being kissed and scritched. He tries to fly, but as you can see from the photos, they clipped his wings way back and he has no lift whatsoever, so he just drifts to the floor and waits to be picked up.

He chirps occasionally, but no chatter yet. We're giving him time. Any idea if four months sound about right?
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Misty is beautiful, congratulations! He is definitely a little boy. However, females aren't necessarily worse at talking than males. Check out this link:

https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...e-budgies.html

To me, he doesn't appear to be Grey--his markings are much too blue, immediately leading me to conclude Cobalt or Mauve rather than grey. Pied varieties tend not to have normal cheek patches, so I daresay that might contribute to the confusion. I agree with Toni regarding his form of pied, however

Although Misty is responding well for only three days, you really should not touch him for at least a week after he comes home. He needs some time to settle in and establish his cage as his "home"! Also, it's possible he may be behaving so well because he's afraid--some birds will act extremely submissive in situations they deem threatening. Just watch his body language and ensure you're doing things when he's ready
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Misty is really a beautiful bird! I love both the color and pattern. I'm also not seeing gray, my eyes see mauveish color .
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It can be tricky to tell body colour with so little, and greys and mauves can look very similar even when you have the whole body to look at. I am basing my guess on the small amount of colour visible on the cheek patches, and the description of it being grey rather than violet. Pied may make some of the cheek patches silver but it won't change violet to blue or grey.

However, we may never know for sure with so little to go on!
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It's odd, because the camera captured blue rather than grey on his tiny chest patches. By eye, it's definitely greyer than blue. There are no blue traces at all on his few wing markings, even on camera. He's our little mystery bird! But Misty is a cutie pie in all cases.
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Hi there!

Misty is beautiful, congratulations! He is definitely a little boy. However, females aren't necessarily worse at talking than males. Check out this link:

https://talkbudgies.com/general-budgi...e-budgies.html

To me, he doesn't appear to be Grey--his markings are much too blue, immediately leading me to conclude Cobalt or Mauve rather than grey. Pied varieties tend not to have normal cheek patches, so I daresay that might contribute to the confusion. I agree with Toni regarding his form of pied, however

Although Misty is responding well for only three days, you really should not touch him for at least a week after he comes home. He needs some time to settle in and establish his cage as his "home"! Also, it's possible he may be behaving so well because he's afraid--some birds will act extremely submissive in situations they deem threatening. Just watch his body language and ensure you're doing things when he's ready
Thanks for the link. I guess I HAVE heard all the old wives tales (or is that old hen's tales?) about female budgies. Your budgie looks like a real sweetie. How much does she talk?

As for Misty's behavior, in the frightened state he has all his feathers flattened. In the relaxed state, they are fluffier. He seems relaxed most of the time. We have noticed that he wants out of his cage "home" as often as possible, chirping and leaning towards the door. Before we can even get the cage door open, he's climbed on it. Once out, he seems content on a shoulder or finger. He even preens while on a shoulder, so I'd guess that's a sign that he's not afraid. He also loves what he sees out the window, and often tries to fly towards it, sometimes landing on the window sill if he can fly that far. This bothers us a bit, since we don't want him crashing into the glass. There are vertical blinds on the window, but that doesn't stop him. Our last budgie was somewhat timid and preferred being in his cage to being out of it (unless he saw us eating. He was always up for human food). He loved faces but disliked being touched with hands, even after years. So Misty is a totally new experience. We are learning along with him!
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"Old hen's tales", haha

Mallorn doesn't talk, but she is a very good mimic and mimics the microwave, the phone, my whistles, and speaks several different birdie languages, including Sparrow and Dove (our other bird, Tilda, is a dove, so she picked that one up from her)

I'm glad he seems comfortable most of the time, that's a good sign! However, the fact that he's always looking for a way out indicates he's not seeing his cage as his home. The important thing is to help him get used to his cage, so for at least few solid days, I wouldn't let him out at all. I know that seems cruel but all that does is let him get used to the idea that "in" is home, and "out" is not. If he doesn't get used to this, it can be challenging to house him in his cage as he will be unwilling to go in and may even start to be scared of it.

Afterwards, you can let him out, but only for a little bit at a time. Establish a routine and don't let him tell you when he wants to come out.

You must show him that he comes out when it's time, not simply because he doesn't want to be in his cage. For example, if you let him out every day after lunch, he'll start to expect that and figure out how to amuse himself in the mean time
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"Old hen's tales", haha

Mallorn doesn't talk, but she is a very good mimic and mimics the microwave, the phone, my whistles, and speaks several different birdie languages, including Sparrow and Dove (our other bird, Tilda, is a dove, so she picked that one up from her)

I'm glad he seems comfortable most of the time, that's a good sign! However, the fact that he's always looking for a way out indicates he's not seeing his cage as his home. The important thing is to help him get used to his cage, so for at least few solid days, I wouldn't let him out at all. I know that seems cruel but all that does is let him get used to the idea that "in" is home, and "out" is not. If he doesn't get used to this, it can be challenging to house him in his cage as he will be unwilling to go in and may even start to be scared of it.

Afterwards, you can let him out, but only for a little bit at a time. Establish a routine and don't let him tell you when he wants to come out.

You must show him that he comes out when it's time, not simply because he doesn't want to be in his cage. For example, if you let him out every day after lunch, he'll start to expect that and figure out how to amuse himself in the mean time
Good point. Misty might be feeling the Call of the Wild, especially with his interest in looking out the window. Today, as I stood at his cage and talked to him, he vocalized something other than chirps for the first time, and I could swear that one of the things he did was make little kissy noises like my husband does to him. Our last bird was an amazing talker, but not very good at imitating nonhuman sounds, although he could speak in both my voice and my husband's (well, actually a squeaky little budgie voice, but with our unique dictions, one high and one low). So Mallorn is tri-lingual! Do you suppose she and Tilda are trading juicy gossip? ;-)
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