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Old 03-09-2009, 06:26 PM
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one of my friends who breeds budgies asked me to post these questions for him.
(he's too busy with all of the birds, rodents, squirrels, etc he has. trying to get him to join this forum )

1. what are the results from mating a yellowface pied opaline cock and a whitewing hen?

2. is it possible to use greywing instead of whitewing to get rainbows?

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you should get opaline girls from that pair... but not sure colors... also youŽd get pieds...

some pics would be nice...
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you should get opaline girls from that pair... but not sure colors... also youŽd get pieds...

some pics would be nice...
Actually it would be that males that inherit the opaline. you will probably have males that are yellow face opaline (or masking opaline not sure) and hens that are yellow face. I'm new to genetics so I'm not 100% on anything I jsut said. Let's let some budgie breeders answer
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Both parents would need to be Opaline to get visual male Opaline's in the clutch.

With that pairing you would get Cocks that are normal/Opaline and Opaline Hens. All chicks will be blue, some will have yellow face. You didn't specify which kind of Pied the Cock is so I don't know which to go by to tell you specifics with that. I'm also not completely sure about whitewing genetics, but I do know they are recessive to all mutations except dilute, so I'm guessing the chicks could only be split for whitewing.

I also don't know the answer to your second question, but I'm guessing for them to be true Rainbows the answer is no.

Wait for Guthwulf or Nev to come by, they are better at this then me, but I gave you a start at least
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Old 03-09-2009, 11:17 PM
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one of my friends who breeds budgies asked me to post these questions for him.
(he's too busy with all of the birds, rodents, squirrels, etc he has. trying to get him to join this forum )

Q1. what are the results from mating a yellowface pied opaline cock and a whitewing hen?
What sort of pied is the cock? Its unusual to include pied anything when making rainbows... Also, without knowing the exact background of the hen its a bit tricky. Whitewings (clearwings) can be double factor, single factor whitewing split dilute or single factor white wing single factor greywing (fullbody clearwing). For the sake of simplicity, i will assume the hen is a double factor whitewing. From this pairing you should get as follows:

A1. 100% males split for opaline and whitewing, 100% opaline females split whitewing. Of these chicks, 50% may ALSO be yellowface and/or pied.


Q2. is it possible to use greywing instead of whitewing to get rainbows?
A2. It is possible, but due to the diluting effect of the greywing gene it is unadvisable. It would be better to use fullbody greyings (one clearwing gene one greywing gene) as these have close to full body and wing colour. Again, i would avoid using greywings for making rainbows (personal preference). Aside from that, it goes against the standard definition of rainbows which is: A yellowface or goldenface (any type) opaline clearwing blue
Rainbows are my personal fave
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1. what are the results from mating a yellowface pied opaline cock and a whitewing hen?
The result would depend on the type of pied. If he is a dominant or a clearflight pied half of the chicks would inherit the pied. If he is a recessive pied none of the chicks would be visual pieds unless the hen is split for recessive pied. The yellow face mutation would show on about 50% of the chicks. All the female chicks would be visual opalines and all the male chicks would be split for opaline. The whitewing (clearwing) gene is recessive so unless the cock bird is split for clearwing none of the chicks would be visual clearwing but they would all carry the gene in a split form.

A yellow face male chick from this pair (that is not pied) mated to a blue series clearwing hen would produce some rainbow chicks.

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2. is it possible to use greywing instead of whitewing to get rainbows?
If you used greywing the result would not be rainbows, they'd just be yellow face opaline greywings (which are quite attractive birds)
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thnx u so much.. u guys r so knowledgable.. my target is to b like u guys one day.. genetics on my fingertips
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oh, the cock is a dominant pied
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thnx u so much.. u guys r so knowledgable.. my target is to b like u guys one day.. genetics on my fingertips
Just takes time I only started breeding budgies 4 or 5 months ago but my interest was always genetics so i read as much as i could find on it. A lot of my knowledge is book based, so i am slowly trying to apply what i know and SEE for myself. There is so much to keeping and breeding (and feeding) birds that books can never tell you.

When i joined this forum, nev seemed miles ahead of me with his genetics knowledge and breeding experience. He is still far more experienced with hands on breeding, but i have almost closed the genetics knowledge gap! He still catches me out or reminds me of some points every so often lol Its good to have people around to do that.

Welcome to the forum and good luck with everything!
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