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Old 07-06-2016, 10:55 AM
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I have a young baby whose feathers are just now coming in. Parents are a yellow series lacewing hen and a normal green male split to lacewing (and possible opaline). The parents to those birds include a white series lacewing male split to opaline and a normal green hen split to blue. This baby is not a lacewing, darn it. Feathers coming in are yellow. I *think* it's a hen and opaline because the down is so white, but my real question is about a spot on the back of her head. Am I seeing things or do you guys see it, too? Maybe she is split to recessive pied carried down from who knows how long ago? Any thoughts? I will update as baby gets bigger. Thanks!




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Old 07-06-2016, 11:28 AM
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I agree that the downy feathers are too white for the chick to be a normal budgie. The chick may be opaline or even greywing (looks more greywing to me at this stage of development) if both parents are split for it.

The last chick I had from a pair who was proven split for recessive pied had quite a similar pattern on the pinnies before the feathers came through, and while he didn't have a fully formed "thumbprint" patch on the back of the head, he did have small patch of feathers lacking the striping.

I believe you are right in assuming your chick has recessive pied heritage.
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I agree that the downy feathers are too white for the chick to be a normal budgie. The chick may be opaline or even greywing (looks more greywing to me at this stage of development) if both parents are split for it.

The last chick I had from a pair who was proven split for recessive pied had quite a similar pattern on the pinnies before the feathers came through, and while he didn't have a fully formed "thumbprint" patch on the back of the head, he did have small patch of feathers lacking the striping.

I believe you are right in assuming your chick has recessive pied heritage.
Thank you. As far as I know, they aren't split for greywing. I had the grandparents to these chicks and none of their babies were greywing and I bred the parents. But, as you know, things can hide for a while and suddenly show up. It'll be fun watching her develop. I do think it's a hen and opaline. I once had a yf blue male that lacked iris rings and had one clear feather on the back of his head. I paired him with a DEC and got DEC babies so he was indeed split to RP. Hurry up and get those feathers, Solo!
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I agree that 'she' looks to be split for Recessive Pied. It may just be the angle but some of those yellow wing pinnies look to be quite long without any markings showing on them yet..? Might just be the colour on my screen though!
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I agree that 'she' looks to be split for Recessive Pied. It may just be the angle but some of those yellow wing pinnies look to be quite long without any markings showing on them yet..? Might just be the colour on my screen though!

Would that be because she is opaline? When she hatched, her eyes were definitely not red and when I looked at her this morning I could've sworn they were. Or plum, but the lighting was turned down and I didn't want to really go look. I had a brief moment of excitement that she is lacewing but I KNOW she isn't because she def didn't have red eyes at hatch. I'll take some more photos tonight and post them up in the morning. Thanks!
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I agree that 'she' looks to be split for Recessive Pied. It may just be the angle but some of those yellow wing pinnies look to be quite long without any markings showing on them yet..? Might just be the colour on my screen though!
That's exactly why I think the chick is likely a greywing, he/she looks exactly like my 3 light green greywing chicks when they were the same age.
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Old 07-10-2016, 07:49 PM
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Well, you guys are right. This is definitely a greywing of some sort. I'll have to post some newer pictures, but the first 9-10 flight feathers are white. Is that normal or weird? I was not expecting white on a yellow bird.




You can see the center two tail feathers are white in this pic




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I don't know anything about mutations so I have no advise. But I do know that your chick are so stinking cute! I simply cannot get enough baby pictures!! I love the breeding journals. And when I've finished looking at them here I google them... LOL!
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Your chick is absolutely adorable!

At this point the chick still looks like a greywing to me but he/she doesn't seem to be light green in colour.

I will place a few pics here for comparison of my latest light green greywing chick who had the pied mark just like yours.









This set is from Luigi who is the older brother from a previous clutch (same colour mutation).


You can see the colour on the flight feathers. They do look white, but have a greyish tinge to them.




Grown up Luigi
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Thanks, Aluz. The pictures are helpful. I keep waiting to see what the base color will be, but even on the feathers where color comes in first, I can't really determine anything yet.
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