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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 07-31-2016, 08:02 PM
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Question Confusion figuring out how genetics work.

Its safe to say I am totally lost. No matter how hard I try to figure out how genetics works and how to use charts, calculators, articles on breeds-I just can't figure any of it out. It seems the more I try to understand the more confused I get. To start with it was curiosity and now I have 6 featherless chicks that intrigue me more and more.

If I am correct the cock is lutino and the hen is yellow faced
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Some of the chicks clearly have red/ruby eyes and some appear to be black.

If anyone can offer me advice on how to figure out what birds make what colours that would be fantastic-or even what colours to expect my little chicks to turn into- I know its a complicated topic to understand but I've been trying to figure it out alone for about a year with no luck.

Thank you for your help in advance.
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Old 08-01-2016, 05:24 AM
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Hi again!

Your Blue is a sky blue yellow face type II opaline budgie.
Your dearly departed Duck was indeed a lutino budgie.
Since the father was a visual Ino (lutino) and this is a sex-link mutation, your red eyed chicks are all females.
With this pairing you can tell gender the moment the chicks hatch, your black eyed chicks are all males who are split for Ino.
The males will also be split for opaline on the mother's side.
If the father was split for blue, you can get yellow based (green series) and white based (blue series) chicks, which will most likely be sky blue or light green in colour, you could also get albino chicks, not just lutino. This would also depend on the hidden genes carried Duck, so you may get other surprises.
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The links below should give you the information you need to start learning how to determine the mutations.

https://talkbudgies.com/mutations-gen...mutations.html

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I completely agree with the information given above Your pair is beautiful!

To further clarify, sex-linked mutations, such as the Ino gene, are so called because they are inherited through the X chromosomes. Male budgies have two X chromosomes and females have an X and Y. Therefore, when a male carries a sex-linked mutation, he can be split (by carrying it only on one X) or he can be visual (by carrying it on both X chromosomes, similar to a "double factor"). Females, with only one X, can only show it visually or not have it at all. Thus, when a father is visually Ino, you know both his X chromosomes are carrying the Ino gene, and since females must get their X chromosome from their father, they also must be visually Ino.

I hope that makes sense
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You guys are my hero's. I never thought id figure this out but i think its actually starting to sink in (finally! yay!) I also never realised you would be able to tell my chicks gender by this point! (I might have to change some names now that my hunches were wrong) I find it all totally fascinating and I am determined to learn as much as I can about Budgies (so I apologise in advance if I start posting a lot!) Ive been going through loads of posts on the forum to find out more through other peoples questions.

My eldest chicks have white fluff (as I like to call it) coming through on their backs now and I have noticed yellow pin feathers getting longer on their wings, both of these chicks are red/ruby eyed so does this indicate a yellow colour being involved in their final colouring? or is this just something that doesn't reflect on their final colour?

Thank you all for helping and responding,

sending love to all of you and your birdy families

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The special pairing you had made this extremely early gender identification possible.

Yellow colour on the tips of the pin feathers of the wings indicate a green series (yellow based) chicks, so it's safe to say that your red eyed babies are lutinos like their father. They will be split (carrying the gene in hidden form) for blue on their mother's side.

For identifying blue series (white based) chicks, the tips of the pin feathers are white in colour.
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I'm glad you've been able to get some answers from the wonderfully knowledgeable members here. I can't even work out the basics on mutations so how people understand it and explain it so well is beyond me.
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I'm glad you've been able to get some answers from the wonderfully knowledgeable members here. I can't even work out the basics on mutations so how people understand it and explain it so well is beyond me.
I think my struggle has been trying to figure it out for myself through numerous sources (most of which work for people with some knowledge of genetics) so I was trying to run before I could walk. I'm glad I've found this site where everyones so helpful and doesn't mind me asking questions like this, and they're ever so patient for us beginners! I'm reading the material that was linked and i think I'm starting to understand it more, especially now it has been explained in regards to my chicks as an example. It all seemed rather daunting when i was originally researching, I tried the calculator last night but had absolutely 0 clue what any of it meant haha.

In regards to the black eyed chicks (at least i think they're black-I was reading about plum eyes but the younger chicks are too wriggly to compare) does this mean they could pretty much be any colour or is it only a few types they could be? at this stage the younger ones don't really have wing feathers to be able to tell from that perspective.

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The difference in eye colour in this case was simply to differentiate genders.
Yes, there are more possible colour combinations and varieties within the black eyed chicks when compared to the red eyed Inos which could either be albino or lutino.
Once your youngest chicks are a bit older at about 10 - 11 days old, you will be able to tell the base colour by looking at the pinnies on the wings.
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I can't believe how quickly they're growing already, I've seen so many videos and read so many articles but it never truly sinks in until its happening in front of you! I will be sure to post pictures of them to show what colours they become when they are all a bit older. Thank you for your help again today, I love how friendly and helpful everyone is. I feel so welcomed. You're fantastic!

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