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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:56 PM
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Default There's always a SURPRISE!

If you've seen my breeding journals, then you know that Ruby and Starlette have hatched three chicks (who are now being fostered by Bandit)

From the last time these two were bred, we determined that Ruby was split for Recessive pied, and that Starlette has at least one Grey factor.

Ruby - INO, Rec. Pied
Starlette - Grey, Recessive Pied, Fallow



Here are the two chicks from their last clutch.






Pretty straight forward so far, right? Right. But, as we all know, budgie genetics are always surprising! So here is the surprise from this clutch that I'm still trying to wrap my head around.

Chick #1 looks the same as the first clutch, so no surprise there.
Chick #2 (and possibly chick #3) has blue feathers ! SURPRISE! Also, his yellow feathers are not quite as bright yellow as all the others.

Here is chick #1






And for comparison, here is chick #2






And here are both chicks together, so you can see the slight difference between the yellow intensity.







AAAAAHHHH!!!!!

So, I would now also assume that Ruby is also split for blue....??? Could she also be Goldenface? Yellowface?

It does look like all three chicks are Grey, as they all have black main tail feathers.
What do you all think?

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Old 09-28-2016, 10:21 PM
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They are gorgeous I love the little surprise chick! He looks to be a cobalt yellow face I normal dominant pied.

Ruby really must be split for blue, then! Because olive has three dark factors, it makes sense that the first clutch were all olive grey. Now this chick appears only to have two dark factors instead of the same three as his brother, who also appears to be olive, split to blue judging by his tail feathers.

I love them, congratulations!
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:23 AM
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Love a surprise chick! The pretty blue chick looks more like a YF2 to me, which would make Ruby Ino split Recessive Pied, YF2. If the chick is YF2 than Ruby is split for that rather than blue, which would mean she can only breed green and YF2 chicks, no plain blues.

If the chick turns out to be YF1 then either parent may have passed it on. Ruby might be split YF1 or Starlet could be df YF1. Either way, this pair should only produce greens or YF blues, no blues without YF.

The green chicks look to be Grey Green, but some may be Olive. The surprise chick proves that Starlet is not df Grey, as he has produced a non-grey chick now! The tail should end up dark blue as the chick appears to be Cobalt not Grey.

Starling spoke about dark factors. Just a small correction, there can only be two dark factor genes, not three. ;-)
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Your budgies are so gorgeous . I love there colour's. Thank you for sharing with us.
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Its amazing how you got a yellowface of all mutations

I personally have never been able to understand how the 3 'par-blue' mutations work in relation to each other and normal haha .
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Love a surprise chick! The pretty blue chick looks more like a YF2 to me, which would make Ruby Ino split Recessive Pied, YF2. If the chick is YF2 than Ruby is split for that rather than blue, which would mean she can only breed green and YF2 chicks, no plain blues.
Another question... Why would Ruby be split for Rec. Pied, instead of just masking it under her INO feathers?
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So cute!! I can't wait for the pictures where all the feathers have fully opened
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All the mutation stuff is way above my pay grade.

I just want to say the chicks are gorgeous.

And, all you people who understand the genetics and mutations are totally awesome!
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Another question... Why would Ruby be split for Rec. Pied, instead of just masking it under her INO feathers?

You are right Ruby is Rec. Pied Ino
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Your budgies are gorgeous!
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