Candy and Apollo - Talk Budgies Forums


User Menu
Forum Home
Budgie Gallery
Budgie FAQ
Site Guidelines
How-To-Guide
Members List
Today's Posts
Log In
Register now!
Search



Advanced Search
Popular Forums
Announcements

Budgie Articles

Budgie Talk

Budgie Pictures

Budgie Videos

Budgie Behavior

Determining Gender

Your Budgie's Health

Taming and Bonding

Budgie Breeding

In Memory

Other Birds

Contests

Chit Chat

Site Information

Talk Network
Talk Budgies
Talk Cockatiels
Talk Parrotlets
Talk Parrots
Sponsored Ads

Go Back   Talk Budgies Forums > Budgie Talk > Budgie Breeding > Mutations and Genetics


Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.
Thread Description:Major Confuzzlement on breeding outcome

Closed Thread
 
Short URL LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 04-15-2009, 09:13 PM
Squeak_Crumble's Avatar
Squeak_Crumble (Sophie)
The Kangaroo Whisperer
State:
 
Profile:Squeak_Crumble is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 180+
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Exhibitor
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 3,711
Gallery: 2
Karma:
Points: 272
Rep Power: 14
Squeak_Crumble is a jewel in the roughSqueak_Crumble is a jewel in the roughSqueak_Crumble is a jewel in the rough
Default Candy and Apollo

Hey guys!
I am facing a dilema. Candy and Apollo are both spangles I think.
Candy:


Apollo. He also has a couple black feathers on his wings...


They had one opaline blue chick, one normal blue, one double factor with suffision, One I am not quite sure on and a green Spangle. i think that is what it is.
But There was a 6th chick that died and it had red eyes...Would it have been lutino or albino? Also in question is the fact that was it Apollo carrying the Ino gene or Candy... Also I am not sure on the chicks mutations...
I need alot of help here please guys

The Chicks:
Green Spangle (?)


Some type of YF...YF Blue?


The two blues. The closest and the furthest

__________________
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 04-16-2009, 01:12 PM
Aquaseafoam's Avatar
Baby Budgie
State:
 
Profile:Aquaseafoam is offline
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 251
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 20
Rep Power: 12
Aquaseafoam is on a distinguished road
Default

The first chick looks like a YF2 blue opaline spangle
The second is YF1 blue spangle
The last two look like a normal blue and an opaline.

I think Apollo is actually a YF2 blue spangle and not a green as well.
If you have an ino chick, it would have been albino and the male would have to be split to it for it to show up in the chick.
__________________
  #3  
Old 04-16-2009, 03:10 PM
Baby Budgie
 
Profile:huskymom is offline
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Chihuahua
Posts: 236
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 33
Rep Power: 13
huskymom is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquaseafoam View Post
The first chick looks like a YF2 blue opaline spangle
The second is YF1 blue spangle
The last two look like a normal blue and an opaline.

I think Apollo is actually a YF2 blue spangle and not a green as well.
If you have an ino chick, it would have been albino and the male would have to be split to it for it to show up in the chick.
100% what she said...

plus the ino baby would´ve been a girl...
__________________
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #4  
Old 04-16-2009, 04:49 PM
nev90's Avatar
Member of the Month January 2009
 
Profile:nev90 is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 160+
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Breeder
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northland, New Zealand
Posts: 3,676
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 1088
Rep Power: 15
nev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud of
Default

The hen is opaline spangle violet and the cock is Type 2 yellow face spangle sky blue. The cock bird is showing a lot of opalescence and at first I thought he was opaline as well but from outcome of the chicks he can't be

The chicks are
Type 2 yellow face opaline spangle sky blue
Yellow face spangle cobalt (probably type 2 as well but looks type 1)
Normal cobalt
Opaline cobalt

Only a cock bird can carry an ino gene that is not visable
__________________

Last edited by nev90; 04-16-2009 at 05:00 PM.
  #5  
Old 04-16-2009, 05:42 PM
Baby Budgie
 
Profile:huskymom is offline
Number of Budgies: 7
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Lover
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Chihuahua
Posts: 236
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 33
Rep Power: 13
huskymom is on a distinguished road
Default

if the cock had been opaline... that would mean ALL the babies would´ve been opaline too right?
__________________
  #6  
Old 04-18-2009, 12:09 AM
Guthwulf's Avatar
Guthwulf (Dean)
Member of the Month
 
Profile:Guthwulf is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 50
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Breeder
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,767
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 632
Rep Power: 13
Guthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to all
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nev90 View Post
The hen is opaline spangle violet and the cock is Type 2 yellow face spangle sky blue. The cock bird is showing a lot of opalescence and at first I thought he was opaline as well but from outcome of the chicks he can't be

The chicks are
Type 2 yellow face opaline spangle sky blue
Yellow face spangle cobalt (probably type 2 as well but looks type 1)
Normal cobalt
Opaline cobalt

Only a cock bird can carry an ino gene that is not visable

Agree with nev. I thought the cock was opaline too. He shows a significant amount of opalescence, but judging from the chicks that is because he is SPLIT for opaline. Sometimes opaline bred birds and cocks split for opaline can show a lot of opalescence.

Also agree with the mutations of all the chicks, but the normal cobalt at the back... the photo isnt clear but it looks to me like there is some slight yellow? If so its likely YF1. But you would easily know yourself if it is yellow or white faced so, aside from that nev has it dead on as usual
  #7  
Old 04-18-2009, 01:36 AM
Squeak_Crumble's Avatar
Squeak_Crumble (Sophie)
The Kangaroo Whisperer
State:
 
Profile:Squeak_Crumble is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 180+
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Exhibitor
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 3,711
Gallery: 2
Karma:
Points: 272
Rep Power: 14
Squeak_Crumble is a jewel in the roughSqueak_Crumble is a jewel in the roughSqueak_Crumble is a jewel in the rough
Default

Thanks guys! You rule so much!

Nup he is a WF. Thanks so much though. I love you guys. Your so smart lol
__________________
  #8  
Old 04-18-2009, 04:33 AM
Guthwulf's Avatar
Guthwulf (Dean)
Member of the Month
 
Profile:Guthwulf is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 50
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Breeder
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,767
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 632
Rep Power: 13
Guthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to all
Default

Oh and of course, just in case you dont know or someone hasnt said already - given that the cock is split for opaline, and opaline chicks you can be certain that they are females. Cocks split for a sex linked gene can only produce females that display the gene and males that are split for but dont display the gene. In this case there is the chicks should roughly come out like this: 25% male normal 25% male normal split opaline, 25% normal female, 25% opaline female (only speaking concerning sex and the opaline mutation).

Easiest way to sex young birds in some cases
  #9  
Old 04-18-2009, 03:55 PM
nev90's Avatar
Member of the Month January 2009
 
Profile:nev90 is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 160+
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Breeder
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northland, New Zealand
Posts: 3,676
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 1088
Rep Power: 15
nev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud ofnev90 has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guthwulf View Post
Oh and of course, just in case you dont know or someone hasnt said already - given that the cock is split for opaline, and opaline chicks you can be certain that they are females. Cocks split for a sex linked gene can only produce females that display the gene and males that are split for but dont display the gene. In this case there is the chicks should roughly come out like this: 25% male normal 25% male normal split opaline, 25% normal female, 25% opaline female (only speaking concerning sex and the opaline mutation).

Easiest way to sex young birds in some cases
In this case because the hen is opaline and the cock is split for opaline the opaline chicks can be either sex
__________________
  #10  
Old 04-18-2009, 08:59 PM
Guthwulf's Avatar
Guthwulf (Dean)
Member of the Month
 
Profile:Guthwulf is offline
Gender:
Number of Budgies: 50
Budgie Experience Level: Budgie Breeder
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 1,767
Gallery: 0
Karma:
Points: 632
Rep Power: 13
Guthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to allGuthwulf is a name known to all
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nev90 View Post
In this case because the hen is opaline and the cock is split for opaline the opaline chicks can be either sex
Haha. I always seem to let one little point like that slip my mind before making a post. Of course i had read and knew that, but for some reason i just was thinking about the cock being split and the hen being spangle. You sure have a knack for catching me in my blond moments nev
Closed Thread



Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:07 AM.



Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2000- 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2006 - , 2403 Networks LLC. All rights reserved.