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Hey, I've tried looking at different charts to try and figure out what mutations my pair is, and I have no idea how to read the charts or understand the different mutations. Could somebody please explain this to me? Or if I send a pic of my budgies could you tell me what they are? Or prefferably both? Thx in advance, Julia

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Old 11-25-2016, 04:59 AM
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From the photos you have posted at the Gender section, your male is very likely a sky blue spangle budgie and your female is a light green greywing budgie.

Better photos taken in natural lighting would of course confirm this. It would also be helpful if you post a picture of their backs in order to see the pattern on their wings: https://talkbudgies.com/mutations-gen...tion-help.html

For detailed info on the several colour mutations, you can check this link: https://talkbudgies.com/mutations-gen...lor-guide.html
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Hopefully these pics are good enough for you to tell. I Wes having trouble taking pics because they wanted to play with they're toys instead or sitting still. Lol
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These latest photos do confirm my original guesses on both of your budgies colour mutations.

I'm very sorry to say this, but your female seems to have some kind of feather disturbance, very likely she has French moult. This can be seen by the condition of her wing feathers.
Is that her normal stance when perching? From both photos it seems the rump/tail area is fairly deviated from its normal position.

Given your female budgie's physical appearance it would be best to have her fully examined by an avian vet specialist, so that she is tested for French moult and you have a better idea on her health and her physical build.
If she is a French moulter and also has some kind of disability affecting her tail area (could be a birth defect), it's not at all advisable to breed from her for very obvious reasons.
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I completely agree with aluz.
Your female budgie does look as if she has a physical disability and the very best thing you can do for her is have her examined and properly diagnosed by an Avian Vet.

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

Distinction between an Avian Vet and a Vet that "Will See Birds"

Having your new budgie examined by an Avian Vet allows you to develop a good relationship with the vet in case your bird needs care for an injury or illness in the future. Additionally, it is always helpful for the vet to have a baseline for your bird to refer to should it need future treatment.

Your female may need special attention and care as she gets older, including modification of her cage if her disability begins to hinder her movement.

This little female should never be bred under any circumstance.
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Thx for your help. That's what I thought. They're both going through they're seasonal molt and they JUST got they're wings trimmed. When she was born her mother stepped on her so she has a splayed leg. She gets around her cage and play gym fine, and she's been examined and the leg isn't bothering or hurting her and its already starting to go back to normal. She's very active and i was having trouble getting her picture because she kept climbing and playing with her toys so is not getting in her way at all. When she was examined they said the leg should go back to normal soon.
Thx again for your help.
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Your budgie looks to have more problems than a simple splayed leg. Having their wings clipped would not be a reason for her to be holding her body at the angle shown in the pictures.

I sincerely hope you will take the advice given with regard to the inadvisability of ever considering breeding this female.

She is going to need extra time, care and attention in order to lead a healthy and happy life.

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I agree with not using this female for breeding. Regardless of what the physical problem is and the cause, she appears to be a handicapped budgie. Even though you say the problem is not genetic, breeding is physically hard on the mother as it is, and I'm sure she would lead a better life not breeding when she is not in perfect physical shape. I would just enjoy her as a pet. Best of luck with her.
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We got her just to be a pet, not looking to breed her, thx for your help!
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