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I have a pair that have mated for the first time....

I think that 'Lamey' (named this because she has a lame wing after one too many fights, resulting in a lame wing) the Hen is a 'Sky Blue Opaline Spangle' but she has some very deep purple patches on the back of her head and neck - so I am not too sure what that means.

I think that 'Jessie' the Cock is a Type II Yellow Face Spangle - but I'm not 100%... His head is really bright yellow, but fades into a slightly lighter yellow, his feathers are sky blue, and then they fade into a pretty Aqua colour... You don't really see it on the picture, but Jessie's wing colour is surrounded by yellow in parts and blue in others...

I'm including a pic of the chicks too... The two oldest chicks have really yellow pin feathers coming through - I'm guessing that they must be Yellow Faces like their Dad - any thoughts? I know the pics not that great, but any input is welcome...

Thanks in advance...

NB: The 4th Pic has another bird in the foreground, but I included it cause it shows Jessie's head colouring a little better than the previous picture of him
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:26 AM
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The hen is indeed a sky blue opaline spangle, and she probably has a single violet factor that hasnt expressed very well. Some violets dont appear as visual violets but are quit capable of producing violet chicks. I have a pair of whom neither are violet, nor did i suspect they are violet at any time. Yet one of their 12 chicks this season is purple It was a wonderful surprise.

Is that dad in pic 3 and again in pic 4? Looks like a golden face sky blue opaline. Golden face also comes in type one (face only, although sometimes you can have yellow bleeding into the body) and type two where it mixes with the body colour to produce a deeper green than YF2 but not quite like a normal green bird. Not too clear from the pic which golden face he is, and depending on who you talk to you may hear different classifications and arguements about whether he is YF or goldenface and blah blah (YF genes are tricky, but personally i think i've got a grasp on them after much reading).

The chicks also tell me its GF coming through, the yellow in the nest is much brighter than the YF2 chicks i have had.

100% Opaline chicks
50% may also be spangle opalines like mum
50% will get GF from dad (already you can see 2!)
50% may get violet, and unlike mum may show it a lot better
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Dean... You are such a star!! I really appreciate all your help...

I always wondered why Jessie didn't look like other Type I or Type II Yellow Face - I always put it down to the fact he was a spangle, which I thought he was... But I got that wrong too... lol

I just read some articles on Golden Face Budgies on the net, and they pretty much describe Jessie - I would say he is Type I, cause his colouring is Sky Blue in places and in others you can see the yellow bleeding through...

How exciting to have found out something new about my birds...

As for the chicks - their heads are very yellow aren't they? It looks like the smallest one has the same colours coming through too...

Hope all the yellowing isn't cause my boy Midori has his wicked way with Lamey!! lol It seems highly unlikely, but you never know!! lol

Thanks again Dean...

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Oh my my my. I just looked at the chicks again. Look at the youngest chick - it has a pied patch on its head!

I am actually starting to wonder now. Going by the brightness of the yellow, and the presence of pied in the third (and possibly the one on the left?) i think the chances are midori is the biological father! Jessie may be raising them, but i have some seeerious doubts now about these chicks being his! They are opalines like jessie, but then midori is opaline too...

Hah! Drama

Just in case, this might help you judge the parents based on the outcome of the feathered up chicks:

Dominant pied opaline spangle light green cock (midori) X SF violet sky blue opaline spangle hen (lamey)

If midori is NOT split for blue you could get any combination of:
100% light green chicks split for blue (no dark factor)
100% opalines
50% single violet factor
50% dominant pied
25% normal, 50% spangle, 25% double factor spangle (clear yellow bird)

Multiply the chances to come up with outcomes for specifics. Eg all chicks will be green opalines, so ignore that. To also get a dominant pied violet spangle you have a 12.5% chance, roughly 1 in 10 chicks (50% violet x 50% pied x 50% spangle = 12.5%). To get a dom pied violet with no spangle you have less chance - (50% x 50% x 25% = 6.25%).

If he IS split for blue, then you have the same chances of all mutations, except instead of 100% light greens split blue, you will get 50% light greens split blue, and 50% blues.

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Oh my, this is like a soap opera! Who's the daddy!

Those chicks are really cute!
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lol...

It really is like a Drama Series isn't it!!

I was in the Avairy early this morning, and two oldest chicks have some blue feathers coming through - but I'm going to take some more pic...

Also... I'll take pictures of Midori's Chick - one of his chick is very bright yellow... A lot brighter than Jessie's chicks...

It's all so exciting.... lol
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So... I went into the Aviary this afternoon and took some pic...

And there is no doubt in my mind the four chicks are Jessie's... Their head feathers are quite a bright yellow, but the feathers coming through on the wings are a lot lighter, like their Dad's, and you can see by the new pics I've posted, that there are blue feathers coming through...

I also posted a pic of Midori's and Kakariki two chicks - you can see that one of the chicks has really bright yellow wings and a very dominant pied patch - so I'm guessing he will be just like his Dad... The other chick has a very dark, with some dark blue feathers coming through - so I'm guessing it will be a normal green like her Mum...

I put another picture of Jessie up too - cause I noticed today, that he also has some violet patches on his head and neck...

And another of Lamey's Head... Cause I found a slightly clearer picture of her...

Thanks for all the help....
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Don't forget that the chicks might not all have the same father
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Thanks Nev... I know that - but so far it's looking like Jessie is the father of them all... Lamey is a fiesty bird - it seems Jessie (who is so tame and lovely) is the only one willing to put up with her ways... lol

Time will tell.. I love this part of breeding birds... The uncertainty and excitement... lol

I'll keep everyone posted...
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I must say they are gorgeous and the babies are adorable!
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