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Such different colours, aren't they!?

I'm too lazy to wait for their feathers to come in - I like to try and guess their mutations, and see how I did... (I'm usually wrong!! lol)


Their parents - Normal Green Hen (Kakariki) x Dominant pied opaline spangle light green cock (Midori)

I'm guessing that the first chick may be a normal blue? Cause there are blue pin feathers coming out, and the black and white wing feathers, makes me think it's a normal? Any other idea's?

The second chick looks like it's going to be like it's Daddy - it's sporting a very impressive pied patch and those bright yellow wings are just gorgeous...

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Chick #1 looks to be a dominant pied opaline green. To early to tell if its light green or dark. Looking at the clear yellow tail feathers, I am inclined to think spangle also, however im fairly certain that dominant pieds can have clear tail feathers too, so without the wing markings or cheek patches to provide additional clues i cant tell yet. It a female however.

The second does look to be blue, so both parents must be split for blue. Second chick is not spangle or pied so it would probably be:
Sky blue normal cock split for opaline.

Check the coloured feathers coming out just above the tail, these are the earliest and easiest feathers to determine colour and dark factor by. Sky blue will be very easy to pick out, so if its not light bright blue then he's likely cobalt.
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I'm so curious as to how you have picked the sex Dean? Is it cause pied is sexed linked?

I'm just off to the Pukekohe bird auction - to fuel my addiction!! lol I'm hoping to pick up some Male Ino's... Fingers crossed!!

Thanks for your help...
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I sexed them by being sneaky Im trying to learn how to sex them younger and younger, but with a dad like midori its very simple. Dad is opaline, and mum is not - opaline is sex linked so all from this pair all females will be opalines, males will be split for opaline. Opalines have pure white down feathers, normal down feathers are grey. So white down = female, and grey down = male!

In the case of these parents at least
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Wow... That is so cool Dean...

So Jessie and Lamey's aren't so easy to sex, cause the parents are both opaline - so the chicks could be either or... Am I right? Or have I missed the point? lol

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Yes where both parents are opalines, all chicks will be opalines also. So sexing is left to the ceres as is the case with most budgies. No mutational help here!
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Well... I'm very grateful that you have shared your sexing secret for Midori and Kakariki... lol It's really cool that you can...

Would thay work for Ino's too? If you had an Ino Cock - would any Ino's he produce only be hens? Is that why there are so many Ino hens around, and very few cocks? Drives me nuts trying to find Ino cocks!! lol

Another unrelated question Dean.. (Cause I'm forever asking you questions...)

Breeding a White DFS with an Albino will they produce Ino's or is it pretty hit or miss? eg. If your cock is a DSF and your hen is an Albino - if any of the chicks they had turned out to be white can you figure out the sex of the chicks based on their eye colour?

Does what I said even make sense? I wonder!! lol

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I suppose with most sex linked genes there is an abundance of females simply because you can breed sex linked genes into females with a cock that either carries the mutation or is split for it. To get a male that is sex linked, you need to have at least a cock split for the gene and a female carrying the gene, ideally you want both parents to carry the gene. So basically its much easier to breed females displaying sex linked mutations.

If you have a white DFS cock and an albino hen, you will actually get 100% single factor spangle blues, of which the males will be split for ino. Your hen may also be masking spangle, in which case you would get 50% SF spangles and 50% DFS like dad, or your cock could be split for ino in which you could expect roughly 50% of the chicks to be ino and the rest would be split for ino. Its a common misconception that breeding two white birds will create all white chicks.

In this case you could not use mutations to sex the chicks as it would be your hen carrying the ino gene, and you would have no red-eyed babies as your hen will only pass on her single ino gene to her sons who need a second ino gene to 'be' ino (as opposed to being split for it). If the hen was the DFS and the cock was the ino, you would get all red-eyed ino baby girls masking spangle and all males would be spangles split for ino.

Hope that makes sense.

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Thanks Dean...

It does make sense... I had kind of figured it out - but it's nice to have it confirmed...

Looks like I'm going to have to spend the next few years making some good breeding pairings to get my own visual male ino's... Lucky I like challenges!! lol

So... Let me figure out of I have this correct?

My White DSF and Albino breeding will be my first port of call - cause any males will the produce will be split for Ino, won't they? Then the next season if I mated that male (which split to Ino) with an ino Hen - I stand a chance of getting a male ino? If that's true - then any male ino I have mated with an ino hen will produce ino chicks... I think? That's three years of target breeding, but I'd be a happy camper if I could pull it off!!

Let me know how I did - and any hints that you can share with me would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks again Dean...

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Yes thats pretty much correct and the same position I am in. All males from this pairing will be spangles split for ino. Any one of them paired to an ino hen will give you 25% female ino, 25% female normal, 25% male split ino, 25% male ino. So basically 50% of those chicks will be ino and you should get males and females. I would also breed the other spangle split ino males to other females to produce more ino females, you could mate these females to their male ino cousins (from the split ino cock and ino hen) to produce a family of inos.

Of course you might always happen upon some ino cocks
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