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Hi.

Im putting a few pairs of birds down to breed within the next few weeks.
Basically Im looking for colour and mutation, size and feather is a bonus.
Also if you could correct me on the mutations it would be appreciated. Only deciding 2 pairs at the moment. Out of these 4 birds, which are the best pairing options?


Skyblue normal.


Light green recessive pied split opaline


Hens.

greygreen cin spangle hen


Grey green hen.


Im so far going with the -
Light green rec pied to the grey green hen.
Wont produce any visual pieds but should be some nice mutations. What are the expectations? Do you agree with this pair?

Grey green cin spangle hen to the skyblue cock.
Again some nice colours, hopefully the hen is split blue. will get some spangles.
What do you reckon?

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I added two words to your thread title. When I first read it I thought you meant you were having them killed.
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your Light green recessive pied split opaline (phew thats a mouth full )
is so unusual to me ..

i cant help.. but think whomever you choose to match up the babies will be just spectacular...

hope someone comes along to give you more info
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I added two words to your thread title. When I first read it I thought you meant you were having them killed.
yeah i sort of had the same idea...
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Where are the throat spots on that rec. pied? Are you sure its not spangle? Cheek patches have white in them too..

If it does turn out to be spangle also (thoughts? pictures showing its back and wings?) I would be curious about putting it to the grey green cin spangle just to see what you could get.

Sky blue normal x grey green cin spangle hen (is she split for blue?)
100% green chicks split blue if the hen is not split blue. Otherwise 50% green, 50% blue.
100% males split for cinnamon, females normal.
50% single dark factor
50% spangle
50% single grey factor

The easy way to find out the chances for a certain type of chick are to multiply the breeding outcomes you want in the chick. Eg If the hen is split for blue, to get a grey spangle from this pair you have a 6.25% chance or 1 in 16 chicks (50% male x 50% blue x 50% grey x 50% spangle = 6.25%). If you add in dark factor, you have to split it further to say 3.125% chance of getting the same chick with no dark factor, 3.125% chance of getting the same chick with one dark factor, but dark factor wont really matter since you are looking for the 'main' mutations being grey, blue and male and dark factor is more of an after thought.

Sky blue normal x grey green hen (is she split for blue?)
100% green chicks split blue if the hen is not split blue. Otherwise 50% green, 50% blue.
50% single dark factor
50% grey factor

A lot less variation from this pair, but this is a good thing if you are hoping for multiple chicks of the same look or mutation from which you can then watch them for differences in size, feathering, throat spots etc. This hen has smaller throat spots and althought he male doesnt have 'large' throat spots, he has a better bib and 'more' spots, so i would be watching the chicks to see if this pairing improves the hens spots, or detoriorates the cocks spots. Sometimes you find one improves the other in the chicks, or sometimes all chicks are worse than the best parent because the worst parent has dominant genes.

I will post some mutation predictions for the other male once i hear back about the possibility of spangle.

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the pied does not have many wing markings at all Dean. And he was paired with a spangle twice and they never produced df spangles so I do not think so. These are his wing markings.

thankyou all, I am NOT killing them. Silly mistake on my part. Thanks again.
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the pied does not have many wing markings at all Dean. And he was paired with a spangle twice and they never produced df spangles so I do not think so. These are his wing markings.

thankyou all, I am NOT killing them. Silly mistake on my part. Thanks again.
There is only a 25% chance to produce DF spangles, so i wouldnt really expect many if any. Its a shame he has no wing markings because i am still suspicious that there may be spangle in the mix. Could be wrong, but thats budgies for ya eh lol.

Do some breeding expectations later, im workin on an essay right now lol.

Edit: Learn something knew everyday! I did a bit of looking and found a lot of rec. pieds have the same markers that would otherwise clue me off to the presence of spangle (in the absence of wing markings). The half violet/white cheek patches, clear tail feathers, lack of throat spots etc (although official show standards call for 6 normal spots interestingly enough). So I agree with you in that he is probably not spangle as I suspected.

Ok so lemme see...

Light green recessive pied split opaline x grey green cin spangle hen
100% green chicks split recessive (if both parents are split blue then 25% blue, 50% green split blue, 25% green)
100% cocks split cinnamon
50% opaline hens, 50% cocks split opaline
50% single dark factor
50% single grey factor
50% spangle

Light green recessive pied split opaline X grey green hen

100% green chicks split recessive (if both parents are split blue then 25% blue, 50% green split blue, 25% green)
50% single dark factor
50% single grey factor

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Thanks very much Dean I will let you know how it all progresses.b hy
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