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Mutations and Genetics Learn about budgie genetics and the wide variety of mutations.

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Old 02-08-2017, 12:14 PM
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So this lovely man I know who always gets the most beautiful budgies from local breeders called me yesterday to tell me he had some gorgeous colors come in and he had picked out a few he thought I would love. He knew I was trying to grow my flock to between 4-6 and if the right one came along I'd add another.

I went in and fell in love with this little one. Very sweet disposition and calm.

I am leaning towards female. As far as the mutation I am not sure. Is this a kind of 'rainbow' budgie? I've seen some in passing and some are brighter and some are more muted like this one. I know rainbow isn't a mutation but just a description of this kind of coloring really but couldn't tell if she was or not.

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Old 02-08-2017, 04:29 PM
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Hi there, as you said, rainbow is not a variety but a name for a specific combination of varieties. They are blue yellow face (usually yf2 or golden face) opaline clearwings, or sometime full bodied greywings.

The bird you are looking at is a skyblue yf1 opaline greywing, which is pretty close but not quite a rainbow. The greywing dilutes the colours, whereas clearwing keeps the colours strong.

It also looks to be a lovely hen.
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Toni, is it possible she's dilute instead of greywing? She looks pretty pale on my computer.
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Sorry, but I'm very confused as to why you bought Ophelia from Petco if you know someone who deals with local breeders?

You had indicated in your previous thread that you can't find breeders in the area.

By the way, what did the vet say was causing Ophelia to have the yellow urates?
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I'm wondering if you can clear up a few things I'm concerned about.

1. Ophelia has only just been given the all clear from the vets and isn't even home yet, but you are already looking in to bringing another bird into your home.
Considering this, is this a wise move to even be thinking about adding to the birds you already have right now?
Their health has to come first and with Ophelia having been ill without a cause (that you've mentioned), I wouldn't be advising adding to your flock currently.
As you know, the goal of Talk Budgies is to put best practices first.

2. If I'm correct, this will be the fifth bird.
You have one cage with one bird in your bedroom.
One cage with one bird in your daughters bedroom.
One cage with two birds downstairs.
Where is the fourth cage going to be located where it's safe for quarantine?

3. As Ophelia came from Petco and is now classed as a pet, not breeding material and you are thinking of having up 6 birds, is that 6 in total, or 6 breeding birds? What happens to Ophelia? Does she get a cage mate or is she going to be tamed and live alone?

4. What do plans to do if the birds don't get on?
It' so early on with you *owning* your first bird and you've gone up to four without even knowing if those four get on!
Potentially, you could end up with two pairs that don't work well together.
What happens if the four you have don't get on as a breeding pair?
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I think with Ophelia, she was the most unique personality I had ever seen in a budgie. She melted my heart and reminded me of our Conure we had years ago. So inquisitive, so so smart. Right up to the glass taking in everything. So I decided to take a chance on her.

The guy that I know is a nice man. He finds local breeders that have parakeets. Whether these are the quality and standard you were describing though, I highly doubt. That is why I was asking for recommendations for even better quality budgie breeders.

The question you ask about Ophelia and the cause of her yellow urates is something that my husband and I were just discussing today and it concerns us. I have not heard today an update on her progress but as of yesterday she was doing fine but they were unsure what the cause was. They said it could have been just a few days of GI upset. But, to be honest as she is not on insurance yet (we only had her 4 days) like my others, if she is still sick/ falls sick again in the next week, it could cost us hundreds to find out the cause and without knowing the cause of her yellow urates her significant loss of weight in a few days (40g down to 35g) I think me and my husband may not welcome her back into our home. Once Petco collects them they become property of the store again and we have a choice whether we take them again. I really thought she was a wonderful bird, but I have to think of the safety of the rest of my guys and I don't think it's a chance I'm willing to make.

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1) See above for answer on Ophelia

2 & 3) If we don't welcome Ophelia back, we will only have 4 birds. Nevi is out of quarantine now, so three birds that are able to live downstairs fine. That leaves only one in my bedroom.

4) I am not actually new to owning birds. I've owned parakeets as a child. I helped breed cockatiels in university many years ago and have owned a Green Cheek Conure.

If they don't get along then they don't get along. I'm hoping at best they can all be happy and play together in some combination. Tiki and Tundra love each other and are best little buddies. If Nevi and the new girl can get along- great. If all four can play together outside the cages- even better. If only half get along then I let them out different times of day. We have enough room that if the girls hate each other they can have separate cages.

And in the end if all four don't get on as breeding pairs, then we haven't lost anything. We still have four awesome little birds that are part of our family. We love watching them. My daughter loves watching them and playing with them. Even my husband loves playing guitar with them on his shoulders. Whether they breed or not makes no actual critical difference to us. It's just a dream we have, because giving people an alternative to Petco/ Petsmart is something I feel pationate about, that have been raised as pets first and given good diets from the start. I also really loved breeding those cockatiels all those years ago and always thought about coming back to it again someday. But if that doesn't happen it is just fine.

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If I could return to my original question, can anyone confirm the sex of this little budgie? I feel it's female but wanted a second opinion.

As far as her mutation thanks ladies for weighing in. Anyone else have any other thoughts?

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Yes, the budgie is female.
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