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Old 03-07-2017, 03:07 PM
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I just got 2 new budgies. Should be a male and a female, around 6 months old. I pretty quickly identified the female as a spangle violet cobalt - and gosh, I actually managed to take a picture where you can see she's violet! So I'll just share that ^^:

Her real color is a lighter shade of purple than the toy in front of her - I actually think the picture is pretty close.

The boy is mostly light yellow, with a few patches of the wave pattern on his head and neck and a patch of color on his lower back. So I thought he was a heavily pied green. Until I realized the patch of color on his lower back is actually sea blue! And then I also noticed that his yellow color is more intense on his face than on his body.
So I had to start thinking again. I've never owned neither pied nor yellow face budgies, but my current guess is along the lined of Df Dominant Pied/Recessive Pied Sf Yellow Face II/Goldenface Cobalt/Sky Blue.
He doesn't have much of an iris ring but I think I do see a bit of one, so the lack of it could be either his age or his mutation. His cere is pink but again - age or mutation? I do believe it would have begun changing to blue by now if it wasn't the mutation though.. I guess I'm confused about the lack of markings on his wings and color on his belly, as what I read about recessive pied says they usually have those.
So, time for some pictures of the subject:



Can anyone tell me what he is? And if I'm wrong about his girlfriend, feel free to tell me that as well.
I'm really looking forward to seeing some babies from these two ^^ I was really excited that he proved to be blue and yellow face (he really is, right?) as I have been dreaming about violet yellowface and violet pied babies for a while now and even if I'll have to wait a year to breed them, it's awesome that this opportunity just dumped down in front of me

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Your budgies are absolutely stunning!

I agree with your assessment of the mutation of your beautiful female. I have a SF violet Cobalt Blue Spangle myself.

I'm not an expert with regard to mutations so I won't venture to offer an opinion with regard to your male.
I'm sure one of our experts will be able to give you the correct answer though.
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Your budgies are gorgeous!

She is a Double Factor violet cobalt spangle budgie; her very violet shade indicates double factor.

I think that your male is a cobalt double factor violet yellowface type 2, but if you had photos taken in natural light of him, that would be great
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The hen looks to be cinnamon also.

I am confident that the male is cobalt if that is the colour you are seeing, a df violet would be strongly purple on the rump. He is probably a df dom pied, but if no iris rings develop you may have recessive pied in there also.
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Thank you very much, all of you
I don't see any purple on the male, but I could be wrong. It'll probably take a while to get pictures in natural light - the cage can't really be moved and he hasn't come out of it yet. He is pretty readily eating spray millet from my hand though, so I'm confident it won't take too long to get him out.
Pictures taken with a flash shows his rump pretty much sky blue, which is definitely not what I'm seeing.

Guess tonic might be right about the female being cinnamon - I was wondering whether her markings weren't a bit lighter than on the usual spangle. I think it's hard to tell, but cinnamon could be the answer. Gosh, those budgies have a lot of mutations ^^
It's awesome if she's double factor violet as well - that would give me 50% violet cobalt babies, even if the male is not violet!
And if the male is double factor dominant pied they are all going to be pied as well. And half will be yellow face. Now I can't wait for them to be old enough to breed ^^
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