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Default Help identifying mutation

This bird has no pied markings, no other colors at all. I thought she may be a dark eyed clear, but she has an iris ring. Any ideas?


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Default To which clutch might this one belong?

I have an interesting problem. I thought this was one of Anzu and Houdini's children, but she has stayed white faced whereas none of their other babies are.

I did switch a couple of eggs to Twilight when the clutches were too big for the Houdini to handle. This baby was raised by Twilight and Luna, but I had thought she was one of Houdini's eggs. Is it possible that she is actually one of Twilight and Luna's chicks? I would not think so, as she has no pied markings. But can she be a white face from a yellowface/goldenface pairing?



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Default Will their color become more even?

These babies make me laugh. They are so splotchy! Like they cannot make up their mind whether they shall be blue or green Will they eventually even out to look like Houdini, or always be so messy? (Houdini is the hen in the collage)



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Does the budgie on the first picture really have black coloured eyes?
Since you mention she has developed irises and by looking at her pink feet I would say that she is a lutino budgie (if her eyes are red in colour).
Usually double factor spangles will have the greyish/bluish tone on their feet, unless there are hidden genes involved that directly affected the feet colour (like being split for recessive pied, for example).

As for your grown chick, from looking at the clutch siblings she was raised with, you would be in a better position to reach your own conclusions on her true parentage. I can tell you that it's possible to have a normal (visually non-pied) chick from a pairing between a dominant and a recessive pied.
The chick in question would necessarily be carrying the recessive pied gene in hidden form (split).

Onto your last question, from what I have noticed with mine is that with each moult the amount of yellow colour spread onto the blue feathers will increase, so eventually with time the overall body colour can and will become more even.
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I can attest to Aluz's answer on your last question- Hermes started out with a mottled teal on his chest that spread throughout his body as he got older. For awhile he was a sea-foam green but now is much greener in color.
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Does the budgie on the first picture really have black coloured eyes?
Since you mention she has developed irises and by looking at her pink feet I would say that she is a lutino budgie (if her eyes are red in colour).
Usually double factor spangles will have the greyish/bluish tone on their feet, unless there are hidden genes involved that directly affected the feet colour (like being split for recessive pied, for example).
Her eyes are definitely black!



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As for your grown chick, from looking at the clutch siblings she was raised with, you would be in a better position to reach your own conclusions on her true parentage. I can tell you that it's possible to have a normal (visually non-pied) chick from a pairing between a dominant and a recessive pied.
The chick in question would necessarily be carrying the recessive pied gene in hidden form.
Got it, but can you tell me if it's possible to have a white faced baby from a goldenface/yellowface pairing?
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In that case, then the budgie is a yellow based (green series) double factor spangle.

I have never experienced such a scenario with my pairs and their offspring, so I can't give you an accurate answer.
Both the yellow face and the golden face genes are dominant, so hypothetically the percentages on having a blue series chick with a white mask would be very low in my understanding.
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If the gf and yf parents are both single factor then you have a 25% chance of chicks that are neither, that will have a white face. So your chick could have come from either pair! If it has a white patch on the back of its head it would indicate it is from the pied pair though.
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