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Can anyone help identify this baby's mutation? Looks like a grey, but I have no idea what else. Wings and body are completely white, aside from a few black and grey spots, and s/he has sparse, faint barring around the eyes and forehead.







His/her eyes are black, not plum, so they can't be recessive pied. The father is not a spangle or dominant pied, so the baby can't be double factor. I'm at a complete loss!

Parents:
Normal violet father, split for opaline
Albino mother, masking grey opaline

Siblings:
Two violet opaline, one male and one female
One grey opaline

This is our first time breeding this pair, so the parents could be split or masking something else; we're only sure of the grey and opaline because of the rest of the clutch. Eyes are definitely black, too, as we had a cinnamon hatch around the same time to compare to.

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All the recessive pieds I have seen had black eyes, including one that I owned. So maybe it's possible that it is in fact a very heavily pied, recessive pied?Sorry I can't help you with the mutation, very gorgeous little budgie though.
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Thanks. I read somewhere that recessive pieds had plum eyes when born, but I didn't notice whether our previous pied babies were dark or plum, and we didn't get any this round. All the plum-eyed babies turned out to be surprise cinnamons. Happy to be corrected, if they do have black eyes.
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Thanks. I read somewhere that recessive pieds had plum eyes when born, but I didn't notice whether our previous pied babies were dark or plum, and we didn't get any this round. All the plum-eyed babies turned out to be surprise cinnamons. Happy to be corrected, if they do have black eyes.
I'm unsure if they will have plum eyes at such a young age, but I know that around 6 weeks, the one I had had black eyes.
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I've never heard of Recessive Pied babies having plum eyes - pretty sure they only have black eyes. Plum-eyed mutations include cinnamon and fallow from what I know.

I'd probably agree with CC, that it's a very heavily pied Recessive Pied meaning that both parents are split for Recessive Pied. This also means that half your normal chicks will also be split for Recessive Pied.

Hopefully if I'm wrong someone will correct me!
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Thank you both for your help! I've seen a few places that claim recessive pieds have plum eyes, but I've never noticed it myself. The sticky also says plum eyes, but they're also listed under black eyes, so

Happy to call the baby recessive pied, since there's not really any way for us to tell at the moment. One of her siblings is going to be paired with a cinnamon split for recessive pied, but that's a year away still!
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Some of the best resources for information on Mutations and Genetics are in the links below.

Perhaps they will be helpful:

Budgie Mutation And Color Guide - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

Budgie Eye Colors In Chicks And Adults - Cute Little Birdies Aviary
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Recessive Pieds do have plum eyes as young chicks, but it is not obvious as they grow. I would say there is more than recessive pied going on as it is very lightly marked. I think it is likely to be a combination pied, with it having both dominant pied and recessive pied in the mix. However, it may become more clear as it and it's siblings mature. Do any of them have a pied spot on the back of their heads?
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Recessive Pieds do have plum eyes as young chicks, but it is not obvious as they grow. I would say there is more than recessive pied going on as it is very lightly marked. I think it is likely to be a combination pied, with it having both dominant pied and recessive pied in the mix. However, it may become more clear as it and it's siblings mature. Do any of them have a pied spot on the back of their heads?
No pied spots on siblings or dad. The picture below might be better for confirming the eyes are black - little one on the left is a fostered cinnamon which hatched the day before this one, pictured on the right. Do recessive/combination pieds have darker plum eyes, or should they be the same as the cinnamon?

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I would expect a combination pied would have dark eyes as a chick, but am not 100% sure.
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